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PeterKay,

good explained

i got a german and turkish Quran at home...

at kramer_hpal, nice site - never saw it before
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Posted: 2005-08-10 17:37:22
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@Melik, thanks.

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Posted: 2005-08-10 17:43:48
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Won't some of its accuracy be lost if the Holy Quran is translated into another language? This message was posted from a S700
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Posted: 2005-08-10 18:37:10
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yes it is possible... but not much... coz the statement and the meaning to give is the same.... no change of story, events, etc.... But the actual language written (arabic) in the Quran will remain the same as always to the original.
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Posted: 2005-08-10 20:08:11
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how do muslims deal with the cutural differences that various groups impose on the quran
for example some muslims were a full veil other are much more libera with it
from my studies of the quran i have found very little mention of women been fully covered, more that women should dress modesty.
also some culture that claim to be muslim seem to see women as a lower class yet the quran teaches that woman are equal and in some cases as mothers even seen on a higher plain to men.
how is it that we see such change from the original text?
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Posted: 2005-08-10 20:22:28
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@slattery69 the above differences u just mentioned are simply becuz of lack of knowledge abt the Holy Qura'an ppl just dont try to understand the true meaning of wht the quraan says the just make their own ways This message was posted from a WAP device
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Posted: 2005-08-10 23:21:37
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that s what i was getting at since the quran is meant to be the dictated word of god unaltered.
yet all to often i see people acting in ways very different to the qurans teachings yet claiming to be muslim
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Posted: 2005-08-10 23:43:41
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On 2005-08-10 20:22:28, slattery69 wrote:
how do muslims deal with the cutural differences that various groups impose on the quran
for example some muslims were a full veil other are much more libera with it
from my studies of the quran i have found very little mention of women been fully covered, more that women should dress modesty.
also some culture that claim to be muslim seem to see women as a lower class yet the quran teaches that woman are equal and in some cases as mothers even seen on a higher plain to men.
how is it that we see such change from the original text?


Chapter 24 Verses 30 and 31 from the Holy Quran states:

Tell the believing men to lower their gaze from looking at forbidden things, and protect their private parts from illegal sexual acts. That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze from looking at forbidden things, and protect their private parts from illegal sexual acts, and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islâm), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, believers, that you may be successful.

http://www.theholyquran.org/?x=s_main&y=s_middle&kid=16&sid=4



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Posted: 2005-08-10 23:52:32
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Joe & others.. could you please PLEASE guide me to other threads here ... I was in Indonesia some 6-7 years back.. a friend's friend has this indepth "wap" site.. http://www.geocities.com/tyasno/index.wml#card1 This message was posted from a P910
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Posted: 2005-08-11 00:04:44
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And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male attendants free of sexual desires, or small children who have no carnal of women; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah in repentance, that ye may be successful.

a similar quote to yours yet not saying that women should cover up fully just the bosom from the site you pointed me to from the english translation of the quran. actually its the same quote from the english quran translated by yusaf ali.
odd how the same passage can imply different meaning in a different translation. who was your translation by?

[ This Message was edited by: slattery69 on 2005-08-11 08:59 ]
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Posted: 2005-08-11 09:11:18
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