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I agree that in low light conditions you cannot get good sharp noisefree pictures. But my 400$ cannon digicam cant either unless I use its onboard flash. And thats why theres an accessory flash you can buy for the phone. The photolight on the phone is not enough light to lit up an entire room, but good enough to lit up very close objects.

heres an example taken in a very dark room



A future firmware may improve on this, but it cannot perform miracles. Indoor artificial lowlight is never good for taking pictures without using flash. On any camera. Indoor pictures needs either a real flash or enough artificial lighting to allmost simulate full daylight.

Heres another example of an indoor shot where the amount of artificial lighting was enough to give a good shot.



To sum up, you allways need alot of light, preferably daylight, or artificial light powerfull enough to fully lit up the environment as if it was daylight, or enough light focused specifically on the object you want to photograph. To get noisefree pictures you need a low iso value, if the overall environment is lowlight the camera will try to compensate for that by setting a high iso value to let in as much overall light as possible. This increases noise, and force you to keep a very steady hand to keep the picture sharp because the shutter is open longer. Using nighmode further increase iso value and shutter open time, and makes it very difficult to keep a steady hand. Best is to use something like a tripod or place the camera on a fixed point like a table when taking the picture (if possible)
The purpose of a good flash is exactly to overcome the above, by giving lots of light when the picture is taken, the iso value is decreased and the shuttertime is also decreased, thus there will be no noise and the picture will be sharp.

Your room may have seemed well lit to your eyes, but the camera sees differently, and the room wasnt well lit enough for the camera to take a good, clean shot using a low iso value. It needed the shutter to be open longer giving a high iso value, and a "poor" picture.

I know none of this really helps the situation, but I hope it may give a litle explanation to why you cant allways get good indoor shots. Neither with the K750 or most other cameras. Some cameras may be optimised to give better pictures under these low light conditions, but then may not give as good pictures under perfect conditions. Others may have lenses and software advanced enough to take good pictures under all types of conditions, but then we are talking expensive, advanced digicams. Cheap mobile cam modules are not advanced enough, neither in terms of hardware nor software to do this. For those its a compromize where you try to find the best overall sollution. An example is the Nokia N90, its optimised in a way that it take better lowlight pictures than K750, but take poorer pictures than K750 in perfect daylight conditions.

So yes, in terms of taking low light pictures its not much better than a k700 or other mobile cams, except for the higher resolution, but as soon as there is enough light for the camera to fully deliver, its way way better.




[ This Message was edited by: numb on 2005-12-03 11:48 ]
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Posted: 2005-12-03 12:46:03
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I myself felt the same way when I first took some photos under low light conditions. But after reading and doing some research it made me realize that the quality of the K750 camera is fairly good. I even compared photos taken with an old Samsung 1.8MP digital camera and I have to say that K750 photos are quite good if not better especially in daylight (mind you that Samsung camera is very old, a midrange model but still it was around $300 back then).

Now compare K750 photos with a Nokia 6680 or similar model (same price range) and you would see that K750 photos are far better, it is even arguable that the K750 camera is better than the $1000 Nokia N90’s 2MP camera. So in that sense there is nothing much to complain. You’ve got the best camera phone in the market at the moment.

You can use noise filters to get rid of the grains from night shots. NeatImage is what I use and it produces some nice clean photos.

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Posted: 2005-12-03 13:34:20
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You can use noise filters to get rid of the grains from night shots. NeatImage is what I use and it produces some nice clean photos.

What do you mean? is that a software to download on the phone to make it perform better or is it just a post-processing program?
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Posted: 2005-12-03 22:12:54
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Neat Image is a program that runs on PC, it is meant to remove noise and enhance digital photographs. It won’t take much time to filter out noise and you can batch process images so using it is not a hassle at all. Most of the photos taken with a K750 posted in this site and in other review sites are noise filtered ones, because grains in a low light shot is unavoidable.

Links : Neat Image , Noise Ware. Do a search and you’ll find many more.


[ This Message was edited by: optiplex on 2005-12-04 03:04 ]
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Posted: 2005-12-04 04:01:58
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I've been using Noiseware, and I'm currently very happy with the results, specially conidering it's FREE. Oh! And by the way, the latest firmware has done WONDERS for my K750's cam, I find myself taking pictures all the time now!!!!
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Posted: 2006-01-07 09:32:47
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No Noise filters, no editing whatsoever excpet for the esato reduction. Macro mode, light on, no Night mode. I have to take a picture in night mode that is NOT motion blurred, I think I'm dropping it off altogether for future pics. Anyways, here it is...


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Posted: 2006-01-07 09:55:40
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