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Sammy_boy you do have have a good point but we have all been here before with a similer discussion.The problem is not with the pollitical/religious debates but the members who can't respect the posters/members viewpoint,and lower themselves to petty insults,its also rather dissapointing when the insults come from older well respected members.Like someone said the older members such as ourselves are supposed to set an example for the newer ones.
I'm quite obviously against banning any kind of free speech and debate and would encourage respectfull open opinions from all members,I don't see why we need to ban certain kind of topics?..just because some member does'nt have the ability to make a respectfull comment without having to resort to insults and mocking the poster..If anything that member should be locked out of that discussion..But having said that most topics of discussion are decent and respectfull and the vast majority of members can carry themselves in a debate without having to make petty comments.
I think the nature in which such topics are discussed needs to be addressed and not the actual Topics themselves.
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Posted: 2006-03-18 03:08:49
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As they say . . . PEOPLE 'quarrel' / HAVE different opinions if they START talking about:
1. Religion
2. Politics
3. Money
4. Woman
5. Food
and the LATEST in the survey is:
6. Nokia Fones !
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Posted: 2006-03-18 03:14:59
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I'm all in favour of a complete ban. It's not a question of free speech - it's a question of an inappropriate "forum" for such subject matter.
They are always posted by the same people, usually, as has already been identified, as opinion marketed as fact. No wonder it's the same people defending their right to free speech. I believe a certain Abu Hamza thought he had the right to spout vile, racial hatred-inciting vitriol, using the same justification. He ended up where he belongs, and where all those who attempt to stimulate the same sort of feelings, however clever the disguise, also belong, IMHO.
Now:
"I love Nokia more than life itself" - Discuss.
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Posted: 2006-03-18 03:27:06
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Such discussions are like itching spots on our skin. Enjoy while scratching which paves the way to sensation of burning.
This message was posted from a J300
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Posted: 2006-03-18 03:32:33
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What a great analogy!
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Posted: 2006-03-18 03:39:43
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On 2006-03-18 03:27:06, dave_uk wrote:
I'm all in favour of a complete ban. It's not a question of free speech - it's a question of an inappropriate \"forum\" for such subject matter.
They are always posted by the same people, usually, as has already been identified, as opinion marketed as fact. No wonder it's the same people defending their right to free speech. I believe a certain Abu Hamza thought he had the right to spout vile, racial hatred-inciting vitriol, using the same justification. He ended up where he belongs, and where all those who attempt to stimulate the same sort of feelings, however clever the disguise, also belong, IMHO.
Now:
\"I love Nokia more than life itself\" - Discuss.
Its not an inappropriate \"forum\" as you so describe when the disucssion is in the \"Mobile Free\" Area...thats why that part of the forum exsists.
Maybe its the same people who make most of the posts,but the fact is anyone can post what they like anytime (everyone is free to do so).Its usually the people who have a problem with truth and reality that don't like these sort of topics in the first place.
So let me get this straight...your useing Abu Hamza as an example,a man who incited murder with members on esato who like to discuss Religion/Polictics..I know some are desperate this is going to new lows...I can't recall anyone here ever inciteing Murder,Hatred and Violence?..you must have been going to the wrong forums mate!
I personally think anyone who tries to suppress open and free debate regarding the injustice in the world needs to be locked up.
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Posted: 2006-03-18 03:54:38
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Yeah, Pradhika just said the right phrase I guess . . .
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Posted: 2006-03-18 03:59:55
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the bottom line is if people don't like the subject matter, or those who only come here for phone info, simply do not have to be involved in these debates.
Why read a thread and then complain about it's content? The thread topic is plain as day, so why go there if you can't handle it?
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Posted: 2006-03-18 04:21:57
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On 2006-03-17 21:57:36, Jim wrote:
Actually I'm not against it, it's more the fact that sometimes they popup for no reason at all. Sometimes they look as propaganda than a real discussion, the thread of reference is a good example and should be banned as it has no purpose at all than to grow the hate against the US.
Another example: threads with anti US is allowed here and I respect that and the point of view from the poster but what happens if I post an \"anti islam\" (for example, don't take it seriously) thread ? ...
Only solutions: warnings like on the IPB forums.
If you think the thread of reference was to grow hatred against the U.S then you thats the way you view it,its entirely your opinion but that doesn't in no way mean you are correct.
At the same time your contradicting yourself by saying that anti U.S threads are someone else's point of view and you respect that?..make up your mind,because it does'nt make any sense.
If you post a Anti-Islam thread then that is offensive and wrong because you are attacking someones belief...I don't see how anti U.S threads and Islam have any relation?...Attack on political viewpoints is universally acceptable as is the case with U.S,but religion is out of bounds.
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Posted: 2006-03-18 04:35:51
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On 2006-03-18 04:21:57, max_wedge wrote:
the bottom line is if people don't like the subject matter, or those who only come here for phone info, simply do not have to be involved in these debates.
Why read a thread and then complain about it's content? The thread topic is plain as day, so why go there if you can't handle it?
Well said,...and thats what i've always been saying in the past,...if you don't like the subject matter,just stick to the mobile threads as is what most members come here to do.
I never read the threads i don't like the titles of,so why make unnecessary comments?..no need for it really.,unless your deliberate intention is to flame.
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Posted: 2006-03-18 04:42:47
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