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Everyone here is talking about K750 and it's clones. No one here seems to be commenting on the "other" cameraphones, while the original question was whether "cameraphones" can replace regular low-end digicams (and NOT the K750).
Agreed that the K750 series is the benchmark in the current breed of 2-megapixel phones and the K800 is the benchmark for 3.2 mp camphones. But what about the others? Does someone find them worth considering?
We'd definitely like to have some feedback from our members on whether they'd go for "any other" 2 or 1.3 megapix cameraphone other than the K750 clones?
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Posted: 2006-03-20 13:41:05
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sharp 903 is pretty good
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Posted: 2006-03-20 13:43:29
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recently tried the moto v3i ... and eventhough it boasts only a 1.3mpx cam, the quality was still somewhat sketchy compared to the w800, regardless of the difference in mpx resolution. the n70 didn't impress me much either. but hey, just an off-the-cuff personal observation.
but back to the topic, yeah the current k750/w800 series certainly will suffice. personally, the main improvements in camphones i wish to see
1) the replacement of cmos with ccd sensors/lenses
- true, ccd generally sucks up a lil more batt juice than cmos but i wouldn't expect this to be much of an issue as mobile phones and all these hybrid batteries progressively improve.
2) taking pictures in poor lighting conditions.
a dedicated camera will always have its bells and whistles, not to mention that it's designed to incorporate specifically phototaking functions, something which i just don't expect from what is still a mobile phone at the end of the day.
i suppose camphone makers generally still wanna find some form of balance, between aesthetics and functionality to attract as large a segment of the market available. there's only so much you can stuff into one gadget before something's gotta give.
My 2 cents.
please correct if i've mistated somewhere.
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Posted: 2006-03-20 14:32:34
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the S700i makes a pretty good 1.3MP phone, as does the K600.
The N90 comparisons showed it to be almost as good as K750 (and with better video) but for my liking too bulky and fiddly.
Sharp have always made good quality camera phones (my GX15 VGA was better than the K700 VGA overall) but I haven't checked out their latest.
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Posted: 2006-03-20 14:41:11
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Mine and Max's original discussion stemmed from here:
http://www.esato.com/board/vi[....]php?topic=115030&start=197
so my opinion is there. I do think that camera phones can replace low-end economy digi-cam's, but that's because that is what they are. And nothing more. They will never replace quality digital camera's though, and I still believe they aren't adequate for people that want to take photography seriously.
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Posted: 2006-03-20 18:07:57
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K750i better than early 2MP cameras? More like wishful thinking IMO!
OK, I can't remember the last time I used my Oly 4040 & I use my K750i weekly for picture taking but cameras in phones have poorish lens (too small for starters) & generally fixed focal length & fixed aperture!
When camera phones have 3x optical zoom, full control over shutter speed, variable aperture & larger lenses then these phones will take out the bottom end of the digicam market.
The K750i is amazing for a phone but its low light performance is streaky, highlights wash out very easily & full zoom is nasty.
What does make a device like the K750i so useful is its portability - no more "Damn, I wished I had my camera with me!" Not only that, attach a decent pair of headphones & it will play music well enough & acts as a torch when needed as well.
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Posted: 2006-03-20 18:47:10
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Well, IMO if Three things are attached (with proper functionality of course) with Camera phones, they can surely be an everyday replacement for point&shoot cameras:
1. CCD (and of-course not CMOS)
2. Optical Zoom (this 1 is a must and samsung showed it's can b done with B600)
3. Well management of low-light condition. (I think K750 with external flash do the trick)
I think camera phones are not true competitor of dedicated cameras yet, as when i take indoor pictures even in daytime, a lot of noises appear, but we'll see true competitors of dedicated point&shoot cameras very shortly, may be by this time of next year! who knows
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Posted: 2006-03-20 21:00:35
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Good points chamak, once they've been addressed I can see camera phones being a serious challenge to low-end digicams, though low end now seems to be 4mp, but if the qualities good enough then that shouldn't be a big influencing factor.
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Posted: 2006-03-20 21:02:43
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I think they already have replaced low end digi cams in a lot of cases. I make that case on the grounds that I see dozens of teenagers taking and sending photos with their phones everyday in all sorts of situations and not holiday or tourlst situations.
When did you last see a youth with a camera digital or othewise ln your street!
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Posted: 2006-03-20 21:33:00
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I have a respectable 2mp camera with 3x optical zoom, it takes a nice picture but then so does my w800. Ok, no optical zoom and night shots are unusable in most cases. To overcome this i have bought myself the MXE-60 flash which really does overcome any issues one would have in using the cameraphone for night shots.
I've actually decided to leave my digital cam at home and just use my w800 on hols with me next month. I'm confident that i will get some excellent shots that will will print at 6x4 with no problems whatsoever. The point here is that I only have a 2mp digital cam and there really isn't a major difference in performance for me to need to take them both.
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Posted: 2006-03-20 23:25:48
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