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I was in "Annie get your gun" as a small child. but i always confuse Oaklahoma with South Pacific.
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Posted: 2003-01-13 03:53:00
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Posted: 2003-01-13 04:17:00
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Got a question....If i go and buy a prepaid sim from T-mobile and tell them that i want to use my exsiting AT@T phone do you think they will unlock the phone for me
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Posted: 2003-01-13 05:31:00
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Hey Highrez,


I don't what you have against AT&T but you need to get your facts straight. Now, I realize that you are a big T-Mobile fan but let me clear- up some of your BS. Lets start with SMS, SMS with anyc carrier is not perfect but by no means is the SMS by AT&T slow. In fact, AT&T was the first carrier to offer SMS in theis country. AT&T was also the 1st US carrier to offer Inter-carrier SMS. Some Carriers even have the nerve to charge .02 for incoming SMS. AT&T is not one of those carriers.

MMS for AT&T is almost here so stop crying about MMS, every time you post in here you cry about MMS, T-Mobile doesn't even offer real MMS, they offer a HYBRID version of MMS so please shut up about MMS. Besides the T68i, no other phone maker has been ready to offer AT&T MMS capable phones.But like I said,MMS is just around the corner so get ready.

Now, lets move on to International calling. With AT&T you have 2 choices as to how you want to pay for it. The 1st choice is a basic feature that has "NO MONTHLY SERVICE FEE" but the rates are higher or you can get the Discounted option which is 5.99 a month but you will get discounted INT dialing rates. Unless you have a truckload of family overseas that you must call everyday who really cars about international calling.

And now for unlocking the phones. Why should they unlock the phones? When you buy a t68i from AT&T the retail price now is $149.99 but the actual cost is $305.00 per unit that AT&T pays SE.That means that AT&T loses $155.00 per phone just to get you under contract and it's the same with all carriers.On average it costs a carrier $360 and $400 to sign up a new customer after you figure in the $$ lost on selling the phone, commision paid, and advertising. Now you want them you unlock the phone so you can use it on another carrier. Where is the return on the initial investment for any carrier. Now I know that Tmobile does provide you with the unlock codes, but in my area they charge alot to unlock them. Now if it so damn important for you to have an unlocked phone because you're Mr. Bigshot and travel to Europe every other day and use a pre-paid SIM then buy the unlocked phone from the manufactr directly and lets see how much they will charge you. I'll bet you that you will pay through the ass for it and because you bought outside you carrier some functions will not work because the phone itself is not configured for that carrier such as data service. So stop giving people bad information when you yourself haven't a clue about what you are talking about. Just spare us your BULLSHIT
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Posted: 2003-01-13 07:28:00
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I'll try to address everything you've said in the same order.

Let me start out with the I was an att customer for a long time disclaimer. My t68 was an upgrade to my 6162 that I got with a year contract with att. . . I felt they were the BEST carrier for quite a while, but I no longer believe they are. Anyways, back to addressing the issues.

MMS. My point is not invalid. They don't offer MMS yet and MMS is a big selling point of the T68. I don't understand what you mean by T-Mobile offer hybrid mms. What they don't have a grown up MMSC?

International Calling. I was not offered a free international calling plan when I spoke to an ATT rep - I payed a monthly rate and I payed a lot. Here I'll take your word for it and stand corrected because I haven't checked into it reciently.

Unlocking phones. Why? Because their competitors do it. Plain and simple. If you want to be the best carrier you will do the things that make your customers happy. Best carrier is not the most profitable carrier, it is the carrier that has the happiest customer base. I'd been with ATT since I got my original 6162 paying $100/mo + whatever for international dialing, and usually I didn't scratch all my minutes. I've given ATT plenty of money. The LEAST they can do for a customer that had a track record like that was unlock my phone so I could use when out of country. I understand att has international roaming agreements, but they aren't in place everywhere. More importantly, their competitor would have provided the code.

But really, shoei's problem was not being able to save a picture - and honestly can you say there is any execuse for what they did to him and others who are purchasing newer t68's? What, just so they can charge extra to download backgrounds? Do they put a disclaimer on their newer t68's - "warning we crippled your phone so we can charge you more." Thats like your isp charging you for you connection, and then making it so the only pages you can browse are theirs and you have to pay them per page! And all backs to this: being the best carrier means having happy customers. I don't think many people will be happy knowing att crippled their equiptment just so they can charge their customers more.

And then the rep telling me they had as good if not better coverage with their gsm network in washington state was just wrong.

Like I said I could have gone on and on and on. Do you really want me to? I don't work for a carrier - do you?
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Posted: 2003-01-13 08:26:00
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Posted: 2003-01-13 09:11:00
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@ highrez


Oh boy, here we go again. Ok,I'm glad you got the point about SMS and International dialing but you jsut don't understand anything when it comes to unlocking the phones. But lets start with MMS. What T-Mobile offers is not true MMS, again they are offering as hybrid version of MMS. I have a friend who happens to be a cell site technician for T-Mobile and has told me that they are in the process of upgrading their network for full MMS capability. They'll have it soon,but not quite there yet! You talk about how bad AT&T is compared to T-Mobile but here is what I find funny. Why was AT&T the 1st GSM carrier to offer GPRS in the US. In fact, they were the 1st carrier to offer next generation Data services in Seattle in july of 2001. I'm sure that AT&T's GSM network is not as good as T-Mobile but what do you think is going to happen when AT&T starts to allocate 850MGz for GSM, When you consider the size the AT&T's TDMA network compared to the GSM network of TMobile and the fact that TDMA will be converted to GSM where needed you start to realize that AT&Ts GSM will Dwarf Tmobile, It's just a matter of time.

Now for my favorite. Unlocking the phones is something that AT&T may start to do,but then again why, as I already explained selling phones is a money loser. In fact,T-mobile was almost sold for $15 billion which is less then half of what DT paid for the company in 1999.Why would they be sold for less then 1/2 of the purchase price. It was because then Voicestream was a money loser. You said that profit doesn't mean the best well I hate to argue but it does. Do you really think that AT&T could afford to spend $11 billion on building a GSM network from Scratch if they were not a profitable company? I think not! Tmobile is great that they couldn't even afford to build their own GSM networks in California and Nevada. They have to use Cingulars and have you heard how bad their GSM coverage is in those 2 states? It's pretty bad but don't take my word for it. Go to jd powers website and you will see that AT&T( who you hate so much) took top honors in 15 of the top 25 markets here in the USA. It would be 16 if yu count Cinncinatti Bell Wireless because they are an affiliate of AT&T. Tmobile only took 2 markets. So much about the great Tmobile service. Remember when you said that good service means happy customers, well it sure looks like AT&T has more happy customers that anyone else including Tmobile. Unlocking phones is not a big deal, you just happen to be one of those people who must have everything yesterday. you want,want ,want but are not patient to wait for the good stuff. Remember these words. AT&T and Cingular will rule the GSM world here in the US.Just because Tmobile unlocks phones doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. If you saw someone jump off a bridge would you follow the?(monkey see, monkey do) No, you seem smarter than that.

All good things come to those who wait, so be a little more patient.


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Posted: 2003-01-13 09:53:00
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And the religious war continues. The ATT and Cingular deal is great, but in Washington State Cingular customers can roam to ATT but not vice versa, so it doesn't help me.

Not saying anything abut SMS doesn't mean I agree with you on that point. My point wasn't that they were slow to deploy, its that delivery times on ATT's network tended to suck when I last tested them. They must be using a Nokia SMSC. (obligatory nokia slander) Could be worse, I worked with an SMSC that wasn't compliant and required nasty keepalives to be sent constantly.

I still disagree with the unlocking bit. I'm not saying make it free, I'm saying offer it. Many people would be willing to pay to have their phones unlocked and ATT still has them on a contract - so whats the point of the lock in the first place?

You haven't addressed the issue of ATT disabling the save picture functionality. Do you believe that ATT is in the right here, or is the omission of comment an admission of ATT being at fault?

And then the last thing I'd have to say is, do you work for or are you an affiliate of ATT?
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Posted: 2003-01-13 10:31:00
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Posted: 2003-01-13 15:38:00
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Hmmm...seems like i started something.
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Posted: 2003-01-13 16:31:00
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