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@dave_uk
So by your comments the fact that it comes from Al-Jazeera means it is null and void where as all the other media outlets, BBC, ITV, Fox, CNN, whoever, is far more valid and less bias than Al-Jazeera?
The big westen media corporations aren't exactly going to bad mouth themselves are they?
As for AL-Jazeera, did u know that it was started up/part funded by the BBC?
I got to say though, it's kind of strange that whenever Osama/AlQaeda makes a statement it's always them who gets it first.
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Posted: 2006-05-12 14:37:46
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i d say al jazzera were about as reliable at reporting the truth as the bbc cnn and the rest.
they are all gonna have a bias to the people they serve. the point with stories like this is they just contiune the hate, theres no attempt at balance just another way to whip up hatred
sadly to many people on either side arent interested in peace as peace isnt a nice little earner for them i mean you cant make a profit from selling weapons if nobody wants or needs weapons
i dont think we ll ever see peace in the middle east in any of our life times as to many people on both sides have to many skeltons in the closest and to much money to loose.
i for one believe i can solve the problems in isreal in one go, gather all the people who want to fight in the area thats contested then blow it off the face of the earth i dont think anyone will be prepared to fight and kill over a worthless hole in the ground
also we can wipe out a load of bigots and war mongers in one fell swoop
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Posted: 2006-05-12 14:46:17
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@soulframe,
I was saying that Al-Jazeera is at least as biased as any of the other organisations you mention. Don't get me wrong, all media is biased to some extent, but as you pointed out, the fact that they seem to have exclusive priority rights to terrorist coverage does provide some cause for concern. Incidentally, the BBC has actually long been accused in the UK of having a pro-Arab bias (see any report by Orla Guerin!) and indeed were the subject of an investigation by regulators into their coverage of the Middle East.
The main reason that the whole Western news media is seen as pro-Israel, US, Jewish and anti-Palestinian, Arab, Muslim etc is because painting them as biased is the best way for those on the other side to discredit their coverage, and discrediting their coverage, which increasingly seems to have to depict terrorist atrocities, is the only way to gain any sympathy at all from the rest of the world.
My main point though, was that had it been posted as an article from Al-Jazeera, I would have much less of a problem with it, as I know that they are regarded as a highly-biased source, and readers are then consequently invited to judge the veracity of their claims accordingly. I can only presume that the reason for not citing the source is exactly that.
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Posted: 2006-05-12 14:56:27
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@slattery69
Good points and quite humorous as always! However, I must dispute that peace is not what the Israelis truly want.
It is undeniably in the interests of all Israelis, both government, military and civilian, to have a peaceful solution ASAP. I'm sure they're not making money selling weapons to the other side(!) and if they were able to be less pre-occupied with defence, they could concentrate on further supporting their flourishing economy. The civilians, clearly, would just like to be able to get on a bus without fear of never getting off, or go to a restaurant with their families without having an explosion-lit dinner for two.
I just can't see any reason why that side would wish to perpetuate the situation as it is any longer that it has to be.
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Posted: 2006-05-12 15:03:37
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@ dave_uk
Peace IS what the Israeli civilians want but not what the Zionist goverment wants. Also the Palestinians don't want anything less than complete control over Jerusalem, which, let's face it, isn't going to happen untill judgement day (literally!).
You have to understand that what is happening is part of a larger, long term plan and has been going on long before the Balfour agrement ever gave 'official' existence to Israel.
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Posted: 2006-05-12 15:25:12
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On 2006-05-12 11:21:13, soulframe wrote:
I appreciate delaer_3's attempt at spreading information that is normaly hidden away from mainstream news. Well done mate!
Is any of this hidden away? I doubt you would find many people shocked at learning America favours Israel over Iran or that America would rather Israel had nuclear weapons than a country like Irsan.
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It's all about balancing things out. When you live in a world where, the media is run by Zionist corporations it's only fair that there is some 'ALTERNATIVE' views to the one we have been fed for the last 50 years.
When some people don't like what they hear on the news it is labelled 'biased'. What I see is groups on both sides labelling the media as being biased if it doesn't show what they want it to show.
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Posted: 2006-05-12 16:08:52
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On 2006-05-12 14:37:46, soulframe wrote:
@dave_uk
So by your comments the fact that it comes from Al-Jazeera means it is null and void where as all the other media outlets, BBC, ITV, Fox, CNN, whoever, is far more valid and less bias than Al-Jazeera?
You should take each news report on its own merits. No news source is completely unbiased, human nature gets in the way of that. However, some are better than others. I would trust the BBC over FOX for example.
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The big westen media corporations aren't exactly going to bad mouth themselves are they?
I have always found the BBC to report rather objectively on themselves actually. When the Hutton Inquiry went against them they reported on it in full and didn't shy away from discussing the matter. There was also a report on how some BBC news reports were not as objective as they could have been, again the BBC ran the story.
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Posted: 2006-05-12 16:12:12
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On 2006-05-12 15:25:12, soulframe wrote:
@ dave_uk
Peace IS what the Israeli civilians want but not what the Zionist goverment wants. Also the Palestinians don't want anything less than complete control over Jerusalem, which, let's face it, isn't going to happen untill judgement day (literally!).
You have to understand that what is happening is part of a larger, long term plan and has been going on long before the Balfour agrement ever gave 'official' existence to Israel.
You are never going to have peace in the Middle East until people stop demonising a particular side and start treating everyone as human beings deserving of peace and happiness.
All I see is people shouting the odds about the latest development with absolutely no concern for what it actually means, just as long as it furthers their blinkered cause. Some want Israel destroyed, others want Israel to control all the territory under dispute. Neither is going to happen and the sooner people realise that there is going to have to be some compromise the sooner there can be peace.
Look through some of the threads on Esato and what do you see? People with next to no knowledge of the situation loudly decrying whatever they don't agree with because they have no capacity to think beyond their own limited perceptions of the world. The world is not a black and white place, it works in shades of grey.
The situation in the Middle East could be solved very very quickly if people would simply stop taking sides and work for the common good. If the Western nations and the Arab and Muslim nations all told the Israelies and Palestinians that neither of them would receive any support or help from the outside world until a settlement both could agree on was reached then you can bet your bum a settlement would follow suit rather quickly.
I couldn't care less whether your black, white, blue, green, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, fat, thin, ugly or tall. I have absolutely no interest in labels nor do I have an interest in advancing one people above another. Every single human being on this planet has the same right to peace, happiness and a nice life.
Why is it no one (or very few if any) on Esato realise that they are talking people, not monsters, but people?
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Posted: 2006-05-12 16:33:04
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@ Scots
Totally agree with you on the BBC.
You have to understand that the majority of people (civilians) want peace. Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe/pray to the same God. It's the people in power, the ones with political agendas who are hell bent on destruction. War will always be a profitable endeavour (unless God forbid it's Nuclear!). My gripe and hatred is directed not towards the average Joe on the street in the US, Israel or wherever. It's aimed at the ones who benefit from the misery and suffering and death that the general public experience. We live in a selfish material world, and that's not going to change for a LONG time. As long as those in control get rich and powerful then there will be no change in the current situation.
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Posted: 2006-05-12 16:48:58
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@soulframe
Sadly it is those with the extreme positions that seem to dominate at the moment. The Hamas government wants to destroy Israel, so does the Iranian President. On the Israeli side you have settlers who refuse to give up their settlements even though it would go a long way towards helping all Israelis live in peace.
Such a situation can only last so long before the ordinary people begin to clamour for change. No one wants to live in fear of their children being killed every time they set foot out the door.
A quote from the Tao Te Ching, which is perhaps appropriate here:
"The sage does not distinguish between himself and the world;
The needs of other people are as his own.
He is good to those who are good;
He is also good to those who are not good,
Thereby he is good.
He trusts those who are trustworthy;
He also trusts those who are not trustworthy,
Thereby he is trustworthy.
The sage lives in harmony with the world,
And his mind is the world's mind.
So he nurtures the worlds of others
As a mother does her children."
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2006-05-12 16:03 ]
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Posted: 2006-05-12 17:02:55
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