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there are a select few who tend to the users' needs/demands and hold the consumers' interests quite highly. however rare, those kind of businesses, i believe, retain the most loyal customers and prosper not only through garnering financial benefits, but also through the respect and loyalty of their customers. having a successful business doesn't necessarily entail taking advantage of people. (i'm speaking in general here, not necessarily referring to SE.)
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Posted: 2006-05-26 07:44:23
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yes quite ugly... and sumtimes duhrty... but this has been the rules of the game as ive said... break it and youll be broke for the rest of your business life.
mind you, we are not lookin at Non-governmental organizations here... these are big C O M M E R C I A L companies..they live to earn and be on the mainstream as long as they can, regardless.
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Posted: 2006-05-26 07:52:43
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Well I never did expect SE to come up and say, "We've finally decided to combine all of the features from every range of our phones and we've now create the A series. Now you can have a good camera, music player, video recorder and smartphone in one package!"
Pure marketing strategy guys. SE is a business, and this is the most effective way of making money.
It doesn't mean that I agree with it.
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Posted: 2006-05-26 09:38:45
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Yes, it's good and all to offer one great feature to specialized groups to make money off each of them...BUT you can also make money by creating one phone with everthing and slapping a premium price on it. I would rather pay more to have everything in one place than have to buy several cheaper products. That's the whole idea behind this "convergence device" concept -- to put all the features and things you want into a single place. This new idea that SE says they will be following does not seem to follow this path.
This plan looks like it caters to casual mobile phone users with entry-level models. It is similar to what automotive manufacturers do by trying to build brand loyalty with an entry-level car to get new buyers interested in the brand with a lower price point. Then the idea is for these new buyers to eventually trade up to a better model. The problem in SE's situation, however, is that they will be lacking a phone that is upmarket. The automakers offer flagship models with all features included. This is where SE falls short. Hopefully they realize this and will introduce something special, because if they continue with their current plan, then many users will be forced to look elsewhere for the best phone. Anybody agree?
[ This Message was edited by: chriswg52 on 2006-05-26 09:24 ]
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Posted: 2006-05-26 10:20:23
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Once they get a 3mp camera and wifi on a w950 type phone, then i donīt need nothing more, and they will do it for sure
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Posted: 2006-05-26 10:38:06
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@chriswg52
I totally agree, and its true that having a ture phone will not seriously compromise the sales of the other phones which do not have all the features. One classic example is the W800, which had the camera of the K750 plus
. K750 sold better, and the users who also wanted a decent music player in their phone got it. Nokia is able to create good 'all-in-one' mobiles (N series), and it does seem to be working, and even some of us SE fanatics are wavering slightly on brand loyalty.
I was shocked to learn that future
phones will NOT have auto focus, and also the lack of an active lens cover. And now SE hasn't got a decent flagship to show off. Sure the W900 is a good phone, but it's not that much different, and there's nothing extra spectacular compared to other brands. The S700 in its day was spectacular!
I don't think that having lots of specialist devices is a bad thing, and I'm not being critical of having choice and the wide range of new SE mobiles this year, but there needs to be one higher end phone with everything, if not, than then it's going to be a problem.
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Posted: 2006-05-26 10:49:38
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Surely the "high end phone that has everything" that everyone craves is the P990.
Personally I don't think there's any reason why there shouldn't already be a phone on the market which has all the features of the k-jam plus a decent-sized hard disk and at least a 2MP camera. But there isn't and I have to live with it.
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Posted: 2006-05-26 11:24:37
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@shaliron
I understand completely where you are coming from however if
was to bring out a
handset with equally as good cam as a Cybershot and vice-versa then what would be the point of having these Sony branded handsets in the first place.
They would be the same phone, just with a different sticker and designation, consequently
would be accused of trying to pull the wool over our eyes by selling the same handsets to us, just rebadged
Maybe, as has been suggested, a new small range of top-flight handsets might be the idea, with all of the latest features, with one stipulation - none of them can be any bigger than the current W900i
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Posted: 2006-05-26 15:19:52
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my biggest quirk about the w850 was leaving autofocus out-fine, 2MP works well for me. but the smaller, leaner, and imo better-looking w810 has AF. I dont need 3.2 MP (for now) but come on, no auto focus?!? that almost renders the camera useless (dont even start mentioning other brands; we're
zealots here and our biggest strength over other manufacturers is
's (former) premise of not skimping on features
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Posted: 2006-05-27 20:20:56
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