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All this is true, i have talk about this many times here in esato forums, as far as i know and i work with sound and music area, the sound of K800 is far away from my W800 and my W810 which is great, SE please take at least the compressor you have added to our K800īs, no dynamics, worst trebles, bad bass etc. i use UM2 headphones to test and Shure E5c with my SE mobiles by the way.
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Posted: 2006-09-13 01:52:49
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On 2006-09-13 01:52:49, jucame wrote:
All this is true, i have talk about this many times here in esato forums, as far as i know and i work with sound and music area, the sound of K800 is far away from my W800 and my W810 which is great, SE please take at least the compressor you have added to our K800īs, no dynamics, worst trebles, bad bass etc. i use UM2 headphones to test and Shure E5c with my SE mobiles by the way.
the first thing i noticed on my k800i and k790a was that the sound quality was better then any previous se phone i've used.. firmware is r1cc003
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Posted: 2006-09-13 02:02:11
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Finally i have some people with similar experiences.
I run SEUS and it said i already have the newest firmware.
I am not sure that i have faulty K800 unit. Other features works perfect, camera works great, nice screen, good reception, etc - asides some minor bugs - mind you, but that is a different story.
I tried my friend K800 and it is still sound the same! My friend really amazed when he listen to K750 and hardly believe how can a newer model have worse sound quality.
If i have a defect unit then it should be a batch of units that have this similar problem.
I strongly suggest any prospect buyer of K800 to test the device whenever possible before taking it out the store and comparing it to k750 or other walkman series.
I hope in the future firmware release they will fix this. K800 that i purchased is not suitable as DAP. It need further sound tuning. The output is fine but lack of dynamics that K750 produce.
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Posted: 2006-09-13 05:52:25
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have you perhaps tried different encoding, different formats? I'd try mp3 comparison, maybe when comparing regular aac it is worse, but then again, the K790/800 is capable of aac+ or eaac if I'm not mistaken. Maybe it excels at those formats while the regular AAC format is degraded (for whatever reason).
Just a thought.
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Posted: 2006-09-13 05:58:48
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I have a bunch of AAC and MP3 songs. And the test is to compare the same song played in K750 and K800. And obviously K750 sound better.
However, AAC is sound better than MP3 in any SE phone that i ever tried : S700, K750, K600 -- and even K800 still inherit this condition, only generally sound worse.
I also have a bunch of atrac3plus songs. Codec that Sony Walkman line have been use for years (with all of its variants). And to me Sony Walkman DAP with this codec is far better than any SE phones with AAC and MP3 decoder.
It just that sometimes i like to bring only the phone while still having my songs and not bring two separate devices altogether. If M2 finally breaks 2 GB i definitelly will buy one (currently have 1GB) - if this phone have some juices to folds up my ear.
So i ends up triplicate my collection in my 40 GB hardisk specialized for songs. I already have too many codecs. I cannot 'mentally' afford to re-rip everything again to AAC+ or whatever AAC descendants might be there.
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Posted: 2006-09-13 08:11:43
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Now this is wierd. I have a k750i and ive had a listen to my mates k800i. The k750i sounded miles better even when i played with the equalizer. I used to have a sony walkman nwa1000 and tht sounded really crap in comparisson to the k750i even at a high bitrate. I dont get how the k750i can sound so good, in my case, better than a dedicated mp3 player!?
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Posted: 2006-09-13 08:21:01
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That is true also on W800 and W810, cristal sound, lot of power, great superbass with good earphones is great idea, and no compression at all, try give volume to your K800 and you will see the compressor is there and that is bad for music, give volume to your K750,W800,W810 and your ears will hurt big diference, dynamics are there not in our K800, if SE takes out the compression we then have a great as walman sound in our K800, sure it makes a diference.
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Posted: 2006-09-13 16:19:30
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On 2006-09-12 09:45:53, sapibobo wrote:
Hai all,
i am an ex user of K750. That phones is rock and one of the best phone i ever own and use extensively. I really like the camera and music ability even though it is a non-walkman phone. I usually paired it with HPM-70 and found the sound quality better than with its original headset.
Just upgraded to K800. Screen is great, generally K800 is everything should-be-previous-K-series. Better and larger screen, jumped-up resolution, upgraded menu system, etc ... and of course the camera.
I really enjoying this phone, asides its flimsy prone-to-scratch camera sliding cap and larger dimension. But what really annoys me is that the sound quality is worse than K750.
What i mean is the sound quality through a headset. Dont get me wrong, they sound fine, but it worse than the dynamic output k750 produced through its headset. I tested with various AAC songs that i have.
I tried to pair it with HPM-70 and WTF.... it is sound even worse than with its original headset. I use HPM-70 with K750 with no issues and really enjoying its sound quality. Tips for you guys of K800 owner, just stick with its original headset and forget the cool stylish walkman headset.
I am curious to HBH-DS970 Stereo Bluetooth Headset. What i understand is, since the sound is transfered through radio wave (via A2DP Profile), this headset should have its own DAC and independent amplifier thus should sound different than wired stereo headset. Anyone test this headset with K800? I want to buy it but a bit afraid if it is just sound the same (HBH-DS970 price is still expensive in my area).
Is there any chances that SE deliberately crippled this phone DAP ability in favor of camera functions? Any future firmware upgrade might resolves this issue? If SE have a plan of future walkman phone release based on K800 than the hardware should not be much different and maybe its just the same component (likewise K750 and W800)- so this problems can be fixed via firmware upgrade.
[ This Message was edited by: sapibobo on 2006-09-12 08:48 ]
[ This Message was edited by: sapibobo on 2006-09-12 08:51 ]
Interesting post but i find my k800i absolutely spot on audio wise, its nice and bassy and seems pretty clear to me. At the moment ive been using teh hbh ds970 bt headset and it sounds superb through the k800i. Tried it with my p990i and it sounded terrible but thats the p990i...awful audio if you ask me.
So far i havent had any problems with my k800i and the hbh ds970 headset.
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Posted: 2006-09-13 16:35:52
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i agree...i don't know what went wrong with the p990's audio...it's awful.
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Posted: 2006-09-13 17:28:21
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@Spawn,
I agree. The k800i is great. Sounds great when using either the HBH-DS970 or if I use the HPM-70, with my Etimotic or Ultimate ears. I am sort of at a lose as to what people expect from these all in one devices.These phones are designed primarily to make phone calls. The added bells and whistles are there to entice the buy away from another brand. It is called marketing.
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Posted: 2006-09-14 08:18:40
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