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Touche!!!
[ This Message was edited by: Spindizzy on 2006-09-15 09:08 ]
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Posted: 2006-09-15 10:05:54
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This is ridiculous. I cannot believe so many people dare not use their joysticks in case it breaks. Its nonesense IMO. My K750i before i sold it was 15 months old, and in those 15 months it had heavy daily use - and the joystick works as perfect now as the day i bought it.
As for the idea SE put the added softkey menu button there to avoid damage to the joystick, i think thats nonesense too. Its like SE admitting that they use weak parts in their products. I think the real reason being why the softkey also enters the menu is simply to make the phone more easy to use and accessible.
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Posted: 2006-09-15 10:10:23
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I had a T68 for over 2 years and never had any problems with the joystick. I also used a K700 for over 1 year and there, too - no problems. Friends of mine had the same phone and some of them had problems very early. Most of them admitted they had the pone in their pockets and almost sitting on them. Well - this can result in continuous firm pressing the stick all the time, so no wonder it breaks after some time.
Now I have the K610 with d-pad which is great, too. But if it had a joystick, I would have bought it, too.
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Posted: 2006-09-15 10:39:37
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my old se's... t68, t300, t616... i've never seen a messed up joystick... still have my t68 and t616 and they've been through hell..
but ever since the k700/750/w800.. i've seen and used too many joysticks that have problems.
the old saying goes "they don't build them like they use to" lol
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Posted: 2006-09-15 14:08:15
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Gotta agree w/ etaab on this one, the menu softkey is there to make it more explicit to first-time SE users how to access the main menu. In Nokia series 60, there is a dedicated menu button; in series 40, the menu softkey is likewise clearly indicated. I'm using a K610 w/ the durable d-pad now - no more joystick - and the right softkey on standby is still for the main menu.
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Posted: 2006-09-15 15:36:00
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it's clear that the ones of you that don't use the joystick because they fear to break it are not thinking that it is in fact for you like the joystick is ALREADY broken...
i say: enjoy your joystick as much as you can and if one day it breakes you can do as you do now.
unless you plan to sell the phone one day, in which case it will be the next person who will enjoy the joystick, with many thanks to you.
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Posted: 2006-09-15 15:43:08
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It wouldnt be so bad if it were true (depending on opinion) and considering joysticks and all parts to do with it arent cheap to replace.
But the fact is, they dont break that easily and joysticks are cheap and easy to replace.
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Posted: 2006-09-15 18:45:33
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the joy on a K750 isn't easy to replace unless you have micro soldering skills and a decent soldering iron.
However I fully agree that the joystick is not a problem. Mine's going strong for over a year. I've cleaned it once after about 8months, with electronic contact cleaner, at the time the joystick was getting a bit sticky so it needed it. It's now perfect again.
I find that two things seem to contribute to early joystick problems:
1. dust and dead skin - if the phone is not cased, and is carried in a pocket regularly there seems to be a higher risk the Joystick will become sticky (fails to register presses)
2. uncased phone in a dusty environment
I watched as my joystick stayed good, and my brother in law's joystick slowly became a steaming piece of crap. He is rough on the joystick (uses excessive force), leaves the phone uncased, in dusty conditions, regularly.
Recently, I saturated his mainboard (and joystick which is soldered to it) in contact cleaner, spraying the solution into the guts of the joystick and working the joystick in all directions. Eventually the build up of crud broke down, and now the joystick is almost like new (but still needs a little more work). That's a completely rooted joystick, fixed by cleaning.
So imho the joystick is very tough, but simply needs to be kept free of dust otherwise it will need cleaning on a regular basis.
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Posted: 2006-09-16 00:34:47
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On 2006-09-16 00:34:47, max_wedge wrote:
the joy on a K750 isn't easy to replace unless you have micro soldering skills and a decent soldering iron.
Come on, its easy enough. Parts are cheap, as are the tools needed, and the knowledge on how to perform the task isnt exactly the most difficult thing to work out. Ive fixed many joysticks in the past, be it by stripping the phone down and / or simply cleaning it.
Dust is the main problem with faulty joysticks on SE phones, ive been saying it for years, but many people seem to think their joysticks have worn out due to over use when really all they need is a clean.
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Posted: 2006-09-17 00:45:58
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as almost everybody i avoid using the joystick on my k750 though i know the main reason for faulty joysticks is dirt.
on my old k700 the only thing that i could do with joystick was open the menu as no matter where i pushed it to it just performed the "OK" action and in the end i got so used to it that i almost did everything without the joystick...the only thing that bothered me was reading long SMS
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Posted: 2006-09-17 01:19:32
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