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On 2006-10-20 22:08:50, kradcliffe wrote:
I totally agree that the spec is amazing. It's the total lack of RAM that ultimately stops the device being as good as it should be. Even trying to play MP3's, browse the web and send an email at the same time kills it.
[ This Message was edited by: kradcliffe on 2006-10-20 21:10 ]
No, it doesn't. Simple as that. Like lots of people here, I have both P990i/910i, and can honestly say I have never had any RAM issues with either device.
Having spent the last 2 months solely using P990i and having it restart to improve performance just once in that time I'm very happy. A lot of the longer members of esato are very happy in this respect also.
Ģ250 for a P990i in mid November?? Maybe from a seller with -10 feeback rating who lives in Southeast Asia and only accepts payment by Western Union.
OFC the price is going to come down as it becomes available on more networks and more mainstream. To think the price is going to keep falling is stupid; does that mean by mid 2007 the phone will be worth Ģ10??
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Posted: 2006-10-20 22:47:04
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So kradcliffe, is n93, n80, also shit???? Because they have more or less the same RAM available to users than P990, although their firmwares had time to be more optimized than P990 and M600
Are people saying they are shit all over the place like you and other guys do about UIQ 3 devices???
Thatīs just a bunch of lame excuses not to buy it IMHO
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2006-10-20 21:54 ]
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Posted: 2006-10-20 22:53:08
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The P990i has been in development for well over a year now. The fact that SE cannot get the firmware optimized for release is a joke.
I could have understood there would be a few problems if it had been released in March, but to delay it six months and still not have stable firmware is a joke.
At least Nokia have corrected most of the issues on their models. Let's see if Se do the same and how long it takes them.
P.S. I sold my original P910 in March waiting for the P990i and saved the money for it. I just don't think it is worth it until these fundamental problems are sorted out.
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Posted: 2006-10-20 23:03:49
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On 2006-10-20 23:03:49, kradcliffe wrote:
The P990i has been in development for well over a year now. The fact that SE cannot get the firmware optimized for release is a joke.
I could have understood there would be a few problems if it had been released in March, but to delay it six months and still not have stable firmware is a joke.
At least Nokia have corrected most of the issues on their models. Let's see if Se do the same and how long it takes them.
P.S. I sold my original P910 in March waiting for the P990i and saved the money for it. I just don't think it is worth it until these fundamental problems are sorted out.
If Nokia did it - only with the phones in the market, just like SE i migh add, why people think SE, that has a tradition on improving PXXX phones over time, wonīt do it???
If right now the phone is already pretty stable, and do lots of great things with quality, imagine in next firmware
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Posted: 2006-10-20 23:10:57
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Just like when the P900 had the same problems with Ram that the P990i does - they dropped it like a hot potato and released the P910i 9 months later
I don't think the P990i will ever be as good as it should have been. That will be the P1000. It will have Symbian OS 9.3 which pretty much clears all the memory issues straight away.
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[ This Message was edited by: kradcliffe on 2006-10-20 23:15 ]
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Posted: 2006-10-21 00:14:25
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Hi Ares,
Please get your facts right the N93 now has 22MB Ram free and i think the N80 has even more, whilst my M600 has between 12-15mb Ram whilst using Swiss Manager. Also the N93 has not been out for that long and has only had one update that increased the Ram by nearly 6mb and all new Symbian phones appear to suffer from these Ram allocation problems. Now unlike you i really don't actually think there is that much that can be done via firmware there will of course be improvements as the M600i now on R9A has proved but there is only so much that can be done IMO.
If you read Jah's report from the Symbian Smartphone show some of the information he received from SE, UIQ and Symbian staff was truly shocking IMO as to how unaware of our problems or to how hard some of us wish to use our smartphones. To be honest i would of been happier if both the M600i and P990i still appeared in their current specs but ran UIQ2 as it was far more customisable even to basic things like shortcuts on the home screen now restricted to 4 +Main Menu and just think of all the software already available and how many apps ran happily for weeks without problems.
Marc
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Posted: 2006-10-21 00:46:26
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On 2006-10-21 00:46:26, Dogmann wrote:
Hi Ares,
Please get your facts right the N93 now has 22MB Ram free and i think the N80 has even more, whilst my M600 has between 12-15mb Ram whilst using Swiss Manager. Also the N93 has not been out for that long and has only had one update that increased the Ram by nearly 6mb and all new Symbian phones appear to suffer from these Ram allocation problems. Now unlike you i really don't actually think there is that much that can be done via firmware there will of course be improvements as the M600i now on R9A has proved but there is only so much that can be done IMO.
If you read Jah's report from the Symbian Smartphone show some of the information he received from SE, UIQ and Symbian staff was truly shocking IMO as to how unaware of our problems or to how hard some of us wish to use our smartphones. To be honest i would of been happier if both the M600i and P990i still appeared in their current specs but ran UIQ2 as it was far more customisable even to basic things like shortcuts on the home screen now restricted to 4 +Main Menu and just think of all the software already available and how many apps ran happily for weeks without problems.
Marc
N93 has 22mb ram after boot. M600 has about 17 after boot. w950 have more than 19mb after boot.
The n80 was full of bugs when launched.
The first s60 v3 was on market way before M600.
You say n93 latest fw increased ram in 6 mb, but at same time you consider that a fw update wont help p990 regarding ram issues.
So, who needs to get his facts straight?
@kradklife, IMHO P990 only needs about 6mb more at boot, less memory leakage and a optimized version of opera, and option to remove transition effects...all this can be done. Why anyone needs 20 apps running at the same time?
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Posted: 2006-10-21 03:42:51
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On 2006-10-21 00:46:26, Dogmann wrote:
To be honest i would of been happier if both the M600i and P990i still appeared in their current specs but ran UIQ2 as it was far more customisable even to basic things like shortcuts on the home screen now restricted to 4 +Main Menu and just think of all the software already available and how many apps ran happily for weeks without problems.
Ofcourse there are more UIQ2 apps available. Everybody who knows anything about smartphones knew this was going to be the case, and has done since before the P990i came out.
If this was ever going to be a serious issue for you in the early months of purchasing the phone you'd be stark raving crazy to buy it. Furthermore, it would be stupid to criticise the device for something, that was obvious to anybody who viewed a couple of websites, from the offset.
As an analogy, it's similar to buying an X Box 360 on release date, and then complaining there aren't many games available for it, and that u can't play your old X box games on the device!
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Posted: 2006-10-21 11:40:18
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Quote:Why anyone needs 20 apps running at the same time?
Because it's "smartphone".
I have Smartmovie, Alon MP3, Verichat, Magic Profiles Pro, Tracker, Worldmate, Sman, Remote P800, Opera, Frontview, Handy Safe, Docs to go, Day 2004 and a few others permanently running and hot swappable. This just wouldn't be possible on the P990i due to UIQ3's memory footprint.
The P910i does this no problem, and it's great for hot swapping between apps. I would be well pissed if I had the P990i and it shut down something I had been working on without asking me.
Until SE get the RAM optimisation and memory leaks sorted, it will stay this way.
Anyway, it appears UIQ3 apps need TWICE the RAM to run on the P990i compared to the P910i. That being the case, the P990i would need 41.2Mb RAM free on boot to be comparable. That would have been the case if it had shipped with 128Mb instead of 64Mb.
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Posted: 2006-10-21 11:49:01
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On 2006-10-21 11:49:01, kradcliffe wrote:
Quote:Why anyone needs 20 apps running at the same time?
Anyway, it appears UIQ3 apps need TWICE the RAM to run on the P990i compared to the P910i. That being the case, the P990i would need 41.2Mb RAM free on boot to be comparable. That would have been the case if it had shipped with 128Mb instead of 64Mb.
If that was the case then it would have cost twice as much and you would still be bitching about how expensive the phone is.
For the record my p990i has been running now for almost 30 days without a major re-boot or crash....says alot about your claims that the phone isnt stable...mines stable as a rock and i use it pretty hard too.
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Posted: 2006-10-21 13:01:42
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