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ares Posts: > 500

The ease how you spread lies is amazing...first announce about uiq aquisition was in late november 2007, and the operation was finished in january. So NO phone was made yet by SE after uiq aquisition. Plus, the problem with ram is not UIQ3 exclusive, also happens with s60 v3, because the root of it is the new symbian 9.1. Most UIQ3 and S60 v3 devices have exactly the same ammount of ram 64mb, including the n95, and all have problems with intensive multitasking. The first of the new symbian devices to be free of such problems is the E90 with 128mb RAM, and then we will have to see how much the new SE devices will have

I repeat, except the E90 all the current generation symbian phones have less multitasking capabilities than older devices like P910 or the n70, including the amazing n93 of dogman aka the dream machine
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[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2007-02-21 17:59 ]
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Posted: 2007-02-21 18:55:38
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Nitro Fan Posts: > 500

screwed up and charged people top dollar for a faulty product that is unaceptable
ps. I was lucky and did not pay for my phone Voda gave it too me and a few £s spent with SEunlock has given me the same device as they guys who paid full price for SIM free unit. I feel sorry for them they have been ripped off not me.

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P910i P900 T610 T68i all great phones Shame about the P990i though

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Posted: 2007-02-21 22:26:18
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Sainty Posts: 485

I believe my phone is perfect, its stable and a breeze to use. Obviously only with the lastest firmware though

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Posted: 2007-02-21 22:30:23
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koto Posts: > 500

Mine too,a true P series representative, fast, stable and reliable. It does everything it's supposed to do. In my case it's far more than acceptable. I am sorry for your bad experience.
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Posted: 2007-02-22 00:10:20
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scroitoru Posts: > 500

As far as pricing, if I have to go in retrospect, I would say that SE ripped me of when I bought me P900, for which I paid $ 800. Now for the P900i I shelled out only $ 700.

So given the two numbers simple math tells me I paid more for less (P900 case) , or less for more (P990 case)

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But I am not saying that, as I like my baby.

And there is one other thing that a regular user will not get.
A smart phone requires a smart user to use it at full potential.
No offense to anyone here, but if you read the posts half of them are due to the fact that the documentation has not been read or the user did not his "homework".

[ This Message was edited by: scroitoru on 2007-02-21 23:42 ]
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Posted: 2007-02-22 00:34:50
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Dogmann Posts: > 500

Ares,
Yes you are right for a change Symbian 9.1 does indeed use more Ram then previous versions, which has resulted in some problems for some users Multitasking to the extent they wish. But this is the underlying OS the user interface is UIQ or S60 and this is where they are very different.

S60 has no touchscreen interface UIQ does and this is the most obvious differences. The other difference is that Nokia and S60 with the first update manged to release just over another 5mb of Ram bringing it up to a little over 22mb of free Ram and with the 2nd firmware update manged to address most of the other minor problems and drastically improve both start up time to a little over 22 seconds and all apps respond and open much faster including the screen refresh from going into Laptop / Landscape mode which is now virtually instantaneous and before each new release there was a change log released so that users now what to expect that is the correct way to deal with your customers IMO.

UIQ on the other hand has with 4 or 5 firmware upgrades managed to release much less Ram and although the speed has now started to increase still takes over a minute to start up and still suffers memory leaks and not a single change log for any of these releases in fact nothing but silence from SE.

So whilst they both Operate over the same Symbian OS the user interface and it's implementation and performance is very different one is much more stable and usable. S60 3rd Edition has not required nearly as many firmware upgrades to achieve its current state. Whilst UIQ3 by your own admission requires to have a format of the drive and a master reset plus reloading of the firmware to keep makeing it use able. You also can not use the back up and restore function as this can cause problems and now even SEUS is being blamed for not downloading the firmware correctly and how long have SE had SEUS for?.

Basically you are having to return your device to an as new state just to be able to continue to use it and all this after 4or 5 firmware updates but to you this is not a problem and appears to be perfectly acceptable for an expensive flagship device personally i think this is an unbelievable and unacceptable situation. Ares how many times have you now stated the next firmware will fix it, yes things have got better but are you still not waiting for yet another firmware update again and all this on only a 7 month old device. How many firmware updates is it going to need and how long from launch will this be as it's quickly heading towards a year.

Now whilst i don't doubt for a moment that the P990 has improved and is getting better IMO this is how the device should of been launched with the need for a couple of firmware upgrades to resolve the remaining issues. This would of been acceptable how the devices launched was in no way acceptable and SE's silence made things worse plus they still have not released a single change log to tell you what is being addressed and this is the problem that i have with the way SE have dealt with their customers.
My other problem was that although the P990 had a better screen, 3G and WiFi it was announced with a BST-44 battery then suddenly by launch had become nothing more than a typo error and didn't exist, I mean really that is pathetic. Moving on to another UIQ3 device the W950 when announced the spec sheet clearly stated Quickoffice and a PDF viewer both of which by launch suddenly were not there anymore. Now after the latest firmware release for this model although it shipped with and had Bluetooth 2.0 suddenly this has vanished and it only now supports 1.1.

You call me and any else that dares criticize SE a SE hater and basher simply because because we do not find the way SE have behaved to be right or acceptable. Whilst you on the other think they have done nothing wrong.

The other problem i have with you Ares is every time any one reports a problem you are always first to be there saying that never happens to me mine doesn't do that. Yet if you check all the different posts and on different Forums you will suddenly confess yes that used to happen to me occasionally but not anymore not since the new firmware. The only person you are kidding is your self and yes my N93 has given me very few problems if any at all but that is no more miraculous than your perfect P990 now is it.

I do admire your loyalty and belief in SE however unfounded i happen to believe it is i mean it must be difficult knowing you did not get what you paid top $$$ for and having watched it's price plummet to less than 50% of launch price and although better it still has it problems.

Now that you are trumpeting UIQ3.1 and it's immanent launch and just wait and SE slow down their already slow support of UIQ3 as they will expect you to buy thier latest shiny expensive all singing all dancing UIQ3.1 device to fill thier coffers with yet more profit just how do you think a lot of normal users are going to feel then? as i don't think many are going to be very happy some how. Now if simply pointing out what SE have done wrong in MO makes me an SE hater you are right. But IMO i am merely very disappointed in what was once a great company have become and the contempt that they treat their customers with and this is why even though i really like the W880 i just don't trust SE any longer and will no longer buy any of their products.

Marc

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Posted: 2007-02-22 01:47:09
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ares Posts: > 500

What makes you a SE hater is the way you mix real facts with things you make up and other that only express your biased predictions. Example - why on earth uiq 3.1 adoption by SE will make them abandon uiq 3.0 devices, if its just an evolution and apps are compatible. Will nokia abandon n93 users because it has s60 v3 sp 1 (symbian 9.1) and new devices like n95 have sp 2 (symbian 9.2 like uiq 3.1)? I wouldn't call you a hater if you acted and criticised on a serious manner

And please do show what kind of problem i say doesnt happen to me, and then admit having it...i only tell people about supposed bugs that are not reproducible in all p990s, if you read the forums has you say you should already have noticed there are alot of specific problems related to bad flash process and corrupt data. The thing you are acussing me just shows yet again how low you can go
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[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2007-02-22 01:42 ]
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Posted: 2007-02-22 02:35:51
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koolezt Posts: 136

Folks, this topic is about observed facts, not personalities. People usually approach any subject with an approach based on prevous experiences. Lets accept it in others, try to reduce it in ourselves and move on. IMO, Doggmann's view of SE is mostly right. About 150%.

Moving on:
Given SE's silence to their customers in the face of vocal criticism and significant dissatisfaction, and their highly-publicized invitation to would-be UIQ-supplier-partners, an observer could be excused for not expecting a high level of future support from SE, don't you think?
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Posted: 2007-02-22 05:12:05
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koolezt Posts: 136

@ ares: In the spirit of accuracy, please check your calendar.Quote:The ease how you spread lies is amazing ... first announce about uiq aquisition was in late november 2007Quote:On 2007-02-21 18:15:29, mario2004 wrote:
Actually ... the os 'manufacturer' and SE is one and the same company as of last year! Yes, no kidding, SE bought UIQ !the point being that SE could not be considered a powerless outsider with regard to the P990's OS faults.
Fact: SE's Nov 7, 2006 Press Release says Quote:Sony Ericsson today announced it has reached agreement in principle for acquiring the Swedish software company UIQ Technology AB ...inferring a negotiation process over time.

UIQ was born out of Ericsson Mobile Application Lab and later acquired by Symbian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian states Quote:Symbian is currently owned by Ericsson (15.6%), Nokia (47.9%), Panasonic (10.5%), Samsung (4.5%), Siemens AG (8.4%), and Sony Ericsson (13.1%).so it's a stretch to suggest that SE has no responsibility for failures of Symbian and UIQ in their flagship smartphone. In case there's any lingering doubt, SE's press release continues:Quote:Sony Ericsson ... has been working closely with the company on UIQ version 3.0, which is included in Sony Ericsson’s P990 smartphone ... .While "the os 'manufacturer' and SE is one and the same company" may be a bit of an over-statement, they are certainly not operating in "arms-length isolation", whatever the exact commercial and financial structures.

Quote:NO phone was made yet by SE after uiq aquisitionGiven these interconnections, how relevant is that?

Which is a better view of SE's links to Symbian-UIQ: independent or collaborators? You decide.
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Posted: 2007-02-22 07:05:37
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mario2004 Posts: > 500

Quote:
On 2007-02-21 18:55:38, ares wrote:
The ease how you spread lies is amazing...first announce about uiq aquisition was in late november 2007, and the operation was finished in january. So NO phone was made yet by SE after uiq aquisition. Plus, the problem with ram is not UIQ3 exclusive, also happens with s60 v3, because the root of it is the new symbian 9.1. Most UIQ3 and S60 v3 devices have exactly the same ammount of ram 64mb, including the n95, and all have problems with intensive multitasking. The first of the new symbian devices to be free of such problems is the E90 with 128mb RAM, and then we will have to see how much the new SE devices will have

I repeat, except the E90 all the current generation symbian phones have less multitasking capabilities than older devices like P910 or the n70, including the amazing n93 of dogman aka the dream machine
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P990i + hbh ds970

http://pbase.com/ares - photography by ares aka antonioj

[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2007-02-21 17:59 ]

Why you always must insult people is beyond my understanding ! Yes the public anouncing took place on Nov 7-th last year (2006 not 2007) the 'behind closed doors negotiations' have been thru out 2006 ! ! ! Actually some believe that SE refused to implement the original UIQ OS as developt by the 'independent' company. Aparently it had faults (which UIQ pointed out to SE and partly blamed the insuficient hardware) but SE decided to rewrite the whole thing during 2006 ! ! ! You still remember the P990i was supposed to be released in the 1-st Q 2006 (originaly). SE were greedy after the success of the 'old' P-series and already eyed UIQ in the begin of 2006 thinking they will do a better job at writing the FM and will be cheaper if done by themselves. The signing of papers and public announcement where obviously done at the conclusion of the negotiations and not in the begin ! ! ! The OS as you see it now on your P990i is a SE development (although officially/on paper UIQ are/where technically liable. I have a very good friend at UIQ (left the company in 2006) and I get very upset if people think it was UIQ which have 'blundered' the Firm-Ware. SE is tight lipped about the whole thing now - but I imagine they would have trumpeted from all orifices about the involvment in the development of the UIQ if the P990i should have been a success as they originally hopped. Further more the S60 v3 OS is stable and does multitasking even better then the v1 or v2 ! ! ! Just try playing a song on the N70 while browsing the menus and you'll see what I mean ! You know another secret - the people ( one of the chaps) who developed Swiss manager comes from guess where? Please don't blame the old UIQ development team because you are wrong. I want everybody to know this ! SE want you to think - all is well and the developers/people from uiq are still there - BULLSHIT and lots of it. Watch S60 from now on

And please don't be ruth with me or any other forum user. We all share the same interests! By all means point out wrong info but do it in a polite manner. Is the nice/right thing to do

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