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I can't believe Swiss is to blame - it's used almost universally around here, often more agressively than I use it (I don't leave it resident or shutting anything down automatically). It was also installed under the old Vodafone firmware without issue.

Unfortunately I've still not been able to reflash - I'm waiting (a stupidly long time) to get my internet reconnected at home. I only managed to Kulanendi & flash it last week on a borrowed internet connection (my dad's). I'm looking forward to being proved wrong, but I find it really strange/unbelievable that a "bad" flash can occur in this way, and I still strongly suspect that this is just really poor firmware... I mean, I deliberately started up lots of programmes last night, one after another. The internal memory reduced, as you'd expect... until eventually it was very low. Now surely, in any sensible multitasking environment, it should have either stopped me opening any more, or started shutting down some apps and freeing up memory for whatever I wanted to do next - but no, it waited until I opened up one more to tip it over the edge, and I got a memory low message, followed immediately by a "display may be incomplete" message (in both cases the only option was to "continue"), and that was that. It locked up. I even sat and waited for a few minutes to see if it was just running slow, but no - it was knackered. Now that isn't right.

But if this is caused by a bad flash (the bit that makes the OS work being missing? corrupted?) surely it just wouldn't run at all? Surely I'd be looking at a brick, not a fully functioning smartphone that's just very poor at memory management?
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Posted: 2007-03-12 12:12:15
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I would fine it very hard to belive that Swiss is the problem here
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Posted: 2007-03-13 01:15:53
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To give some hope to others, and in the interest of fairness, I thought I should update this thread with my experiences after another reflash...

After the first flash with R5B02 (from crappy old Vodafone firmware) I initially found the phone to be very unstable, as described above. Basically, as soon as memory got low, it was liable to freeze solid - and that bothered me a lot in the first week or two. After I resigned myself to the fact that it had this problem (and I couldn't try the reflash everyone was recommending, due to a long running problem getting reconnected to the internet at home) I started to manage the memory myself, by habitually shutting down apps in the task manager, and I have to say that the phone became a lot more usable then - I even got the uptime to about 5-6 days at one point, before having to switch off for other reasons - and I was pleased with that, but it still bothered me that it was liable to crash.

I was extremely sceptical about the idea that a reflash could cure this - I really put it all down to bad firmware - but eventually, last week, I was able to update it again at home. I did a master reset beforehand, and immediately afterwards... and I have to say, everybody else was right. The reflash really has worked!

My phone now is almost 100% reliable - no restarts as yet, and when I deliberately try to max out the memory it responds as it should, by either killing other apps or refusing to open new ones. Crucially, it always stays up and allows me to task manage my way out of any situation, which previously it wouldn't - when it often froze just as the "low memory" warnings appeared.

The memory leak is still there of course - as days go by, the maximum available with nothing open always drops - and I do still try to manage the memory myself, which ideally I shouldn't have to even think about - but, the phone does always take a call, and it doesn't crash, and it generally does do everything else I ask of it - so I'm not complaining anymore. And if you are having problems with your UIQ3 phone, particularly after an update, do try it again after a reset - it can work wonders!
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Posted: 2007-04-02 12:04:45
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Boinng, glad all worked ok!!! Its a shame people have to get all this trouble to make p990/m600 work has they should...many can´t do it because they have no info, or just don´t know how to do it, and then things like "tell me how i should smash my phone" appear
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Posted: 2007-04-02 12:34:28
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Great question, but I thing despite some insufficiencies this phone is very good! You can find some similar information at www.infoborder.com

[ This Message was edited by: gubak1 on 2007-04-02 12:33 ]
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Posted: 2007-04-02 13:32:06
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What is the matter with you lot? ALL M600i's have the same problems, I can’t understand people who say there M600i is working fine since the last upgrade. Take a little time and have a read through this forum, SE have made a SHITE phone and no upgrade is going to sort it out. If you are just using your M600i as a phone then maybe it works but if you are trying to use it as a so called smartphone then it does not, what is SMART about a phone that keeps locking up, restarting for better performance (that me laugh, restarting for better performance in the middle of a call) is slow, + numerous other little problems, what is smart about that, please tell me someone
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Posted: 2007-04-02 14:44:55
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i think you´re out of your mind, that´s it...

has you can see, Boinng had been extremely critical regarding his M600, until he folow the recomendations of other P990 and M600 owners of how to deal with such problems...and now he updated his opinion

Are you saying he is lying?? Or me??? Or koto??? Or Tail??? Or masseur??? Or..??? Frankly, this sect of people that can´t stand seeing P990/M600 owners saying their devices are working ok just get on my nerves...DEAL WITH IT!!! No one is denying there are people with problems, and no one is saying our devices are working perfectly, we just have stable devices right now, but that doesn´t mean we don´t feel SE should provide more via fw upgrades, like the rest of users
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Posted: 2007-04-02 15:11:20
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well said!
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Posted: 2007-04-02 16:21:01
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@ ares, quite right.

I understand how frustrating it is when the phone's don't work properly, that was me up until a week or so ago, and it's very easy to assume that everyone else must be in the same boat and just wearing more rose-tinted glasses than you are - that's exactly what I thought.

The truth is, these phones (on current firmware) CAN work just fine. My phone's a good example - on its original Voda firmware it was buggy but stable, then after my first attempt at an update it was less buggy (in terms of features working) but a lot less stable, and now after the second attempt it's still less buggy but stable as well.

What more can I say - it used to lock up regularly, and didn't even keep running long enough to restart itself, but now it doesn't. In over a week I've not had a restart or a lockup, and yes I have been using it as a smartphone - if I didn't want to do that, I wouldn't have bought a UIQ3 device in the first place.

In my case, I firmly believe it wasn't the update (as in the firmware) which made it more or less stable, I think it's obvious that something went wrong in the application of that firmware (ie the update process itself) and that may well be something that's going wrong for other people as well. My advice is to take the same advice that was offered to me - format your internal disk, re-update with R5B02, and then format the disk again - and you should have a stable, working M600i.

I have
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Posted: 2007-04-02 16:42:45
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Thanks for the input

For people acusing me of always deffending SE, i think this is precisely one of the subjects where SE is acting completly dumb (besides launching the phones in 2006 with very very bad early firmware and not putting a bit more RAM on them) - all people should be able to put their phones working properly without all this hassle!!!

It does not do much in favour of SE if only part of UIQ3 users have their phones working ok...

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Posted: 2007-04-02 16:50:36
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