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@carkitter: You're right, you need that module add-on from Alpine. It's sweet, though - gives you full handsfree functionality, unlike its predecessor, which only had headset functions.

BTW, forget that head unit - it doesn't have a CD player Looks like this is the better deal (and it's $100 cheaper, too):



@Tehy03: I'd prefer a handsfree kit, believe me. But the W810 lacks A2DP - I have to make a wired connection to get the music off of it. As long as I'm physically plugging the phone into the car, I may as well find a single connection that does it all, right?

Also, these (link below) are my favorite car kits. They use ISO plugs, just like the sound system in my aging VW Golf, so it's a fairly simple plug'n'play. I've had the CK3000 and CK3200, which both work very well with phones. (However, the newer models don't convey the carrier name over ) I'll have to get that MK6000 when it's time to upgrade my phone, unless I buy the Alpine head unit first

http://www.parrot.biz/usa/products/pdf/all_prods/#carkit

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Posted: 2007-03-27 16:13:37
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I decided to go with HCA-60 Advanced Car Handsfree + HCE-26 Stereo Music mute, and HCH-61 Car Holder + Kuda phone base. I hope 2-speaker (instead of 4) playback isn't too awful.

Another thread here warned that when using RCA connections with the MMC-60 cable, all calls are taken in the handset itself, even if a handsfree is connected (Which also puts an end to any connection to a aftermarket head unit.)

I guess this is it, until offers a phone with A2DP in the USA...

Thanks to all for your help.

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Posted: 2007-03-27 23:28:30
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@Hlcn Twist

Another nice Alpine, however it requires the BT Adapter too.

This is obviously a policy decision by Alpine. Maybe they're testing the market to see how popular A2DP and BT handfree is... or maybe its a condition of thier 'Made for iPod' agreement with Apple?

I feel a conspiracy theory coming on...

ISO connectors are great when you're dealing with French and German cars but down here in the antipodes where the VAST MAJORITY of cars are Japanese or Australian, ISO compatible cars are fairly rare for carkit and stereo installers. Conversion cables are commonly available though.

Congratulations on your purchase; regarding the HCE-26 2 speaker issue, how old is your 'ageing' Golf? My experience with VW carkit installs has shown me that they often have Speaker-IN terminals in amongst the ISO plugs that you can connect to.

If you can find the OE Stereo model# plus the year of your car, and get back to me, I'll do a little research.

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[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2007-03-28 10:00 ]
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Posted: 2007-03-28 10:55:07
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I'm not sure I follow? Yes, it needs the -300 module, which provides A2DP and AVRCP.



Thanks. It's an "A4" (4th-generation) Golf with the single-DIN radio, which uses the ISO plugs. I replaced the mediocre US-market one with an OEM Gamma unit from an eBay seller in the UK, so I have the TEL mute wire and other improvements. The plugs, and the pins to which they connect, are all identical - the only difference is, the US radio lacked the internals for TEL, line-level inputs, speedometer output, etc, etc, the list goes on.

I'm not sure what the VW part # on that one is, but I hope you have enough info by now.

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Posted: 2007-03-28 20:24:16
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@hlcn Twist

I hope that you didn't already buy your HCH-60. the hch-61 is a purpose built phone holder specifically for w810 and other models, whereas the hch-60 is more like a universal holder. double check the model number on this holder. I bought the hch-61 and the w810 fits perfectly into it, while still allowing access to the volume controls on the phone. look here:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/s[....]=177&cid=0&acc_pid=10376&pid=0

EDIT: sorry, just noticed that you did get the hch-61. I saw the hce-60 and was confused.

[ This Message was edited by: cletus141 on 2007-03-28 19:55 ]
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Posted: 2007-03-28 20:52:43
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@cletus141 - Yes, I ultimately purchased the HCH-61. I discovered that it existed after my first post in this thread. The -60 would work also, of course, since it's more "universal."

@carkitter - I just thought of a potential problem! My factory sound system has a small amp-DSP unit inline between the speaker-outs (yes, the speaker-outs, not any sort of line-level out) and the speakers. Will this cause a problem with the HCA-60/HCE-26? It did when I used to have a Parrot handsfree kit. It connected the same way, a "Y" cable between the radio connectors and the speaker wiring to those connectors. The result was a ground loop noise when the phone was in use

Let me know if you think the same will happen, and if so, how to remedy it. All I can think to do is splice into the radio's ground for the HCA-60.


[ This Message was edited by: Hlcn Twst on 2007-03-28 22:38 ]
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Posted: 2007-03-28 23:36:40
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I have come across the ground loop problem before and like the 2 speaker issue there is an inexpensive gadget to deal with it. My old boss used to refer to them a 'chokes' dunno why, I knew them as ignition supressor's.


This example has RCA connectors but not all supressor's do.

Does the back of your Headunit look like this? Particulaly the 10 pin (unused) socket at the top?

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[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2007-03-29 06:53 ]
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Posted: 2007-03-29 07:30:32
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I don't see a pic anywhere

But I did find one on my own - here are the connectors on the back of my stereo.



The 8 pins at the top connector are power, ground, etc., as well as the telephone mute pin. The 8 pins in the middle connector are the speaker outputs. The bottom is a 3-part connector. The one all the way to the left is for the factory CD player or changer. The one all the way to the right are IIRC line level outputs for an external amplifier. Most of the pins in the middle are for a much fancier instrument panel than I have in my car, one that repeats the radio display info. The one I currently use is a single wire, "REM-C," for the steering wheel controls. Note the "- TEL" and "+ TEL" pins, those take a speaker-level (yes, I'm sure) input for mono sound from a handsfree kit.


[ This Message was edited by: Hlcn Twst on 2007-03-29 15:13 ]
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Posted: 2007-03-29 15:59:01
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Time now for "Plan B" - retailer says his web site is out of date, and the HCA-60 is "unavailable" rather than "in stock"

I guess it's for the best. The HCA-60 + HCA-26 sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen, given its 2-speaker-only output + likely noise & volume issues in my setup. (A similar thing happened to this Land Rover owner.)

Why the phone can't simultaneously support the MMC-60 and handsfree is beyond me, as this would be a very nice setup to have in the car.

I'm close to giving up on this whole endeavor and going back to my iPod, while shopping for a non phone

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Posted: 2007-03-29 20:56:00
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Doh! I forgot the link.

Anyway, it doesn't quite match your diagram.

Good news! You can connect straight from the HCA-60 to to the Headunit without needing the HCE-26.

Just take the speaker that comes with the carkit and cut the cable at the speaker end. Plug the connector into the HCA-60 control box and attach suitable connectors to the +ve and -ve speaker wires at the other end.

Then plug the connectors into the terminals marked -TEL and +TEL and your done. Sound from your carkit will enter the Headunit and be played by the speakers.

I've done it before it does work.

Surprised the HCA-60 is unavailable. Is superceeding it already?

Just checked that Land Rover link; not struck that problem - not as many LR's in NZ as in the UK (thank God!) but it's hardly suprising LR would throw a spanner in the works considering how badly they've built cars for so long. They couldn't even re-engineer Honda's properly. It took BMW to sort them out, and BM's profits suffered as a result...
anyway enough waffle...

By connecting the speaker output to the TEL inputs you'll avoid any external amp problems.
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[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2007-03-30 12:34 ]
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