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Actually maybe even less than merger as Ericsson and Sony itself still exist as entity. It is just a joint venture that create a seperate entity. So I figure many of the employees will come from Ericsson and some from Sony while most of them feels they still belong to the entity they come from.
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Posted: 2007-04-26 18:19:06
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@hanugro- what exactly is your point regarding the Sony Ericsson not Ericsson Sony part? Think Williams BMW as opposed to BMW Williams. It's a matter of which one rhymes better. What do you know about Ericsson mobiles? Better designs? How about poor and cheap plastic? Ericsson was a hundred times better than SE in design and features- Sh888, r320s, t28/39, t68, I can go on forever and note I'm only quoting what I term recent Ericsson mobiles. Oh, and Ericssons were also built tough- i still own a gh688

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Posted: 2007-04-26 18:33:00
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Yes a 20 year old car is always heavy than today's lightweight car for better performance.

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Posted: 2007-04-26 18:44:10
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Play nice people! Dont want a Sony Vs. Ericsson argument, there are plenty of threads for that

I think it's promising and good news for , though the move to 18 and 24 month contracts does seem to be slowing sales down.
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Posted: 2007-04-26 18:51:30
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On 2007-04-26 18:44:10, Samlala wrote:
Yes a 20 year old car is always heavy than today's lightweight car for better performance.


I just read your constructive advice on the 'I think I'll pass over...' thread. You were telling those who decided on going for a nokia to 'go to hell with their bricks and throw e

[ This Message was edited by: EMS06 on 2007-04-26 18:03 ]
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Posted: 2007-04-26 18:59:00
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I'm curious how these statements would change for the US market. We definitely do not have saturation of the high-end market here (although the N95 is taking off like a rocket...). UIQ has gotten a real black eye with the P990. Although things change in the future, currently, nothing from can match the promise of the iPhone. Only one of our 2 carriers has 3G, and its rollout is not complete, so I doubt 2.5G - which is already fully installed/implemented is going away anytime soon.

That's the view from this side of "The Pond"

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Posted: 2007-04-26 19:04:59
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@Sammy_boy- agree with you. Apologies from my side.
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Posted: 2007-04-26 19:08:00
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@Hlcn Twst.

I wouldn't say there was high-end saturation in any markets at the moment for On the contrary, I would say the opposite is more likely.

Regarding the iPhone, I don't think is too worried at the moment - what with it having so many phones available at so many price points. Plus I don't think every operator will be able to sign the iPhone up.

No-one knows how it performs, no-one knows how it feels to use on a day to day basis; there has not been one single review yet so I don't see just yet why anyone should be worried.

UIQ phones in the US are few and far between, hopefully some good products will be annouced this year.

T-Mobile seems to be upgrading its network all the time not just in the US but in Europe too and and tmo seem to be working closely together.

Operators prefer 3G to 2.5G handsets because they can extract more revenue per user, like when they purchase full track downloads, use up good quantities of data quickly and regularly, sending emails etc, all this would be painful for a GPRS handset.

So its natural for operators to want the fastest handsets possible. I see the US as not being too far behind Europe in this respect, where data bolt-ons are becoming more commonplace. So the shift from 2.5G to 3G is inevitable when you weigh things up.


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[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-04-27 11:18 ]
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Posted: 2007-04-27 12:14:34
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My point is some SE employee might feel that he is still part of Sony OR Ericsson and NOT SE. Especially the top official that maybe still paid by the company that they come from.

I think some SE employees are actually Ericsson's employess that is being assigned work in SE and some are actually Sony's employee that is being assigned work in SE. This assignment might be temporary as well.

Also I bet Sony and Ericsson treat SE as a division of their own company. My friend work in Ericsson but in network division not SE. So if Sony official is asked about SE then he will talk as if SE is part of Sony and vice versa with Ericsson.

Well design is the eye of the beholder. I own T68 (I consider it the worst of SE but hey it is still largely Ericsson designed) and also T688. There is no way I will say this phone design can match the T610/630, K810, etc. But design also change with time so I am not fair to say Ericsson design is not good. Perhaps at the time it is nice. But you can't argue that Sony market things better than Ericsson did. Both Ericsson and SE phone has good quality. I still use my original batt from T68i before it is stolen from my driver few months ago. So is my T610, T630 still on original batt.

My other friend also works for Nokia, it is not secret among Nokia's employess (at the time before SE) that Ericsson phone is loaded with technology and Nokia focus on fashion/design. Ppl by design at that time. This is his quote so judging by Nokia's sales at that time he might be right. But funny to see that Nokia now move to technology loaded while SE move more for fashion/design oriented.

Edit: Just read Sammyboy post and I suprised some feel that I want to start Sony vs Ericsson. I only point to fact that SE is a joint ventures and both company may treat SE as division of their own company and it is not merger at all. Merger demand that the original company cease to exist. More like Konica Minolta (even though I believe Konica actually bougth Minolta but still retaining Minolta's name like a Merger)

[ This Message was edited by: hanugro on 2007-04-29 02:19 ]
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Posted: 2007-04-29 03:15:24
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all i see from sony and SE are words.
words and words like walkman cybershot and bravia.
i wanted action, i wanted inovation on an ericsson scale.
but all they brought was sony stuff.
good enough to be the best in the market, but not good enough to conquer it.
i've said it many times before this month. i have lost all faith in SE, my next primary phone will be a htc windows 6.0 based phone.
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Posted: 2007-04-29 03:25:31
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