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On 2007-05-13 11:48:29, razec wrote:
add to my previous post,
motorola and SE have feature packed phones in the form of A and P series, nokia have phones in at least in PAR of their technology; the featurepacked 9xxx series. but now Nokia tends to be too high in their standards in their smartphones as motorola did on Q series and SE on the P-series smarthones.
On PAR you say. Name one SE phone that can compete with the N95. Buggy software aside as Nokia and SE phones are laden with it but, right now Nokia is leading the pack. Expect to see more phones from Nokia's competitors to start having GPS built in.
As for cameras. Let's be realistic. A camera in a phone is for the most part nothing to write home about. If you want to take great shots, get a real camera. Don't use a camera phone and complain about the low quality in the shots.
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Posted: 2007-05-13 12:21:56
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On 2007-05-13 12:16:11, BobaFett wrote:
moto a920, a925 and a1000
Of course Boba knows.
Greetings you my friend, and happy Mothers day to your mom and sister.
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Posted: 2007-05-13 12:35:22
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On 2007-05-13 11:00:51, sapporobaby wrote:
I have to agree. The company is Sony Ericsson. Not Sony. Apples and oranges. Your comparing TV's to phones show how little you know about consumer products, however you are correct. I no longer use SE (that's Sony Ericsson for you) products anymore and have become the proud owner of a Nokia N95. Even with its current faults, beats anything SE has on the market.
proud owner yourself buddy we feel very lucky not to hav n95
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Posted: 2007-05-13 13:18:29
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eventhough I am a nokia fan, I dont agree that SE dont produce good phone. They do produce phones which consumer wants (their market share is going up isnt it) and anything that is wanted is good.
I think all the mourning here is that SE dont produce good HIGH-TECH cutting edge phone compared to Nokia. This is to be expected because Nokia spends more on a smartphone platform (S60) development. And smart OS is a pre-requisite for a so-called "multimedia computer". While Nokia is busy perfecting their S60, SE is busy doing their walkman neglecting the UIQ.
Once you have an advanced platform like S60, you could easily deliver new advanced phone with high-end spec at a much shorter time span.
I know many of you dont like WM but the fact is with the WM smartphone platform, HTC easily outgun SE in the business phone segment.
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Posted: 2007-05-13 13:46:37
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I think Sony Ericsson is now just trying to gain more market share and you can't do that with high end phones...
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Posted: 2007-05-13 13:48:35
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i think SE do not have "serious" rival beside nokia to compete with. Samsung phone, motorola Vseries, are no more fighting "seriously" with se
The one now SE "seriously" fighting is LG, not nokia. LG non-stop making fashion phone and its becoming popular in the market. this attract SE to do the same thing instead of making high end phone to compete with Nseries like N95 N81 N82 etc.
As you know, the one who bought high end phone is less than those who bought stylish phone. start from V3. So now "i think" SE is targeting mid-end stylish phone. SE wants $$$$ of course. We might just see, what is the next step SE gonna do, continue making stylish phone or making "quality" phone...
just my 2 cents
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Posted: 2007-05-13 13:53:56
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The thing SE is doing right now is market segmentation. The old Ericsson days in which there was one flagship model are gone. Because SE wants to put it's money where it's mouth is Walkman phones get better music players and Cybershot phones better camera's. Let me rephrase that; Cybershot phones get inferior music players and Walkman phones inferior camera's.
Personally I don't think this is a bad thing, divide and conquer as the saying goes. As for the K800 - > K810 etc. upgrades, it's just a way of making an old model have a longer life and thus generate more profit. The SSNW (Same Shit New Wrapping) principle has worked in the past (egg. W800 -> W810).
Also the Twin tactic seems (W610 - K850, W580 - S500) to work. It has done so in the past for other company's (nokia 8310 -6510, 7210 - 6610). It's all about presenting options, some people like their phone to look trendy others like it to look professional.
As for the N95, I hate to admit it but it's beyond SE. But then again an N95 style phone isn't in the tradition of SE. This because even though the N95 is a smart phone it's appeal is toward normal consumers not business users. On the hole Nokia managed to make smartphones mainstream (via Symbian) something SE hasn't attempted yet (p series is very business oriented). If SE would release a phone with similar specs it would be a "mainstream" phone with a "mainstream" price tag. Or (and this I do fear) it will be released as a separate series (eg. NavU phone) with inferior camera, music player etc. I hope the latter won't happen and it will be integrated in a Cybershot phone.
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Posted: 2007-05-13 15:03:05
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You know what?
I think we are all correct. Hell, we should hire out our collective knowledge of the market and sell this to SE, Moto, and Nokia.
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Posted: 2007-05-13 16:54:25
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Personally I don't think this is a bad thing, divide and conquer as the saying goes. As for the K800 - > K810 etc. upgrades, it's just a way of making an old model have a longer life and thus generate more profit. The SSNW (Same Shit New Wrapping) principle has worked in the past (egg. W800 -> W810).
As for the N95, I hate to admit it but it's beyond SE. But then again an N95 style phone isn't in the tradition of SE. This because even though the N95 is a smart phone it's appeal is toward normal consumers not business users. On the hole Nokia managed to make smartphones mainstream (via Symbian) something SE hasn't attempted yet (p series is very business oriented). If SE would release a phone with similar specs it would be a "mainstream" phone with a "mainstream" price tag. Or (and this I do fear) it will be released as a separate series (eg. NavU phone) with inferior camera, music player etc. I hope the latter won't happen and it will be integrated in a Cybershot phone.
I think in that first paragraph the phrase you want is an extension strategy - release a new version or variant of a product to increase is life cycle and giv eyou more time to get the next one right.
And i agree with you totall on the second paragraph. I really think that at least 95% of all the people that get the n95 will actually use it as a proper smartphone. Smartphones are for power-users, business people, and those that actually want to use them to their full potential. theyre not for the mass market, whcih is where SE is superior. It creates products that do what their users want them to do, and are easy to use to their full potential without being limiting in functionality (like lower end nokias). Its the power:easyiness ratio that makes sony ericsson products win. Theres a reason why out of the 2000 pupils in my school, i've only ever seen five using nokias. Everybody else has a sony ericsson or a samsung (and some motorolas, but god only knows why)
and @sapporobaby: i like the idea
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[ This Message was edited by: andrewkeith5 on 2007-05-13 18:08 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-13 19:06:45
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Hi andrewkeith5
i really don't know how young you are as you have just stated that your at school but your view of the real world is really very unrealistic. We all get you are an SE fan and hate Nokia which is fair enough your right to choose. But you really do need to stop making sweep statements that are not backed up by facts as this just makes you look rather silly you latest quote.
"I really think that at least 95% of all the people that get the n95 will actually use it as a proper smart phone. Smart phones are for power-users, business people, and those that actually want to use them to their full potential. they re not for the mass market, which is where SE is superior. It creates products that do what their users want them to do, and are easy (like lower end nokias). Its the power:easyiness ratio that makes sony ericsson products win."
Please quantify they different points you make in this statement as I'm afraid most of it is just pointless ramblings that again have no basis in fact or reality.
I really can't see how you can claim the N95 is not a mass market device as it's sales figures would beg to differ. Also are you following around everyone that has bought one to check that they are not using to it's full potential otherwise how can you even guess this is so wishful thinking doesn't count I'm afraid.
As for this is where SE are superior and creates products there users want to use to their full potential without being limiting in functionality, May i respectfully suggest you read all the threads in this very forum cataloguing missing features and what SE users really want from their phones Cybershot with decent Media players or Walkman with decent camera features as yet again your opinion is not backed up by facts. You most certainly are an SE fan boy and there is nothing wrong with that but please get a grip on reality SE are quite simply not this great company you perceive as they have proved too many times recently and stop the slating of any product that isn't from SE as really that is just pathetic no one is saying you have like them or buy them but give them some credit where it's due and try accept that SE are not the company you seem to think they are although they could be.
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Posted: 2007-05-13 19:44:31
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