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Whoa, whoa, whoa! If there's any more quotes within quotes it'll look like one of those poxy repeating photograph-of-a-photograph-of-a-photograph things!
Actually, I'm the last person to believe in conspiracy theories and such like but I have researched this subject quite thoroughly over the last couple of years.
Personally, I believe that by getting us all to use less energy, it relieves pressure on the government and power companies to fund ahem, find new sources of energy to satisfy our ever increasing needs. Something that, as we all know, has always caused them a bit of a headache. And not just our current government, past and probably future ones as well.
Global warming is real, there's just little evidence at the moment to substantiate the outrageous claims that you often see in the media.
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Posted: 2007-06-11 18:32:11
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On 2007-06-11 18:32:11, Cycovision wrote:
Whoa, whoa, whoa! If there's any more quotes within quotes it'll look like one of those poxy repeating photograph-of-a-photograph-of-a-photograph things!
Actually, I'm the last person to believe in conspiracy theories and such like but I have researched this subject quite thoroughly over the last couple of years.
Personally, I believe that by getting us all to use less energy, it relieves pressure on the government and power companies to fund ahem, find new sources of energy to satisfy our ever increasing needs. Something that, as we all know, has always caused them a bit of a headache. And not just our current government, past and probably future ones as well.
Global warming is real, there's just little evidence at the moment to substantiate the outrageous claims that you often see in the media.
You say its real then you say theres little evidence. How can somthing be real when theres nothing to back it up? I dont think its about " realiving pressure for govenrments " as you say. Think about all the other huge choices and decisions they have to make. I doubt making sure a few light bulbs are switched of have any significance to them.
Im not one to believe much in conspiracy theories either, however some intrest me alot. The only conspiracy theory I believe in are the apollo missions, waco massacre and the one were debating at this mooment. You have made a point but with no evidence to defend it. This whole thread has been on evidence and the proposturus lies our governments are telling us. Back up your claim
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Posted: 2007-06-11 19:01:06
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@ king...
Re. Iraq... Curious, isn't it - and the next 2 big targets are iran and venezuela; guess what they have in common? That's right: "f*ck the world bank, the imf and the oil-DOLLAR"...
here's a curious reminder from history about israel attacking iraq's nuclear facilities! How things have changed, eh!? :
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/un/un487.htm
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Posted: 2007-06-11 19:11:30
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@king
It's real because it can be reproduced on a small scale under laboratory conditions, and has been successfully reproduced several times.
All I'm saying is that CO2 does act as a 'blanket', it does indeed 'trap heat'. But what isn't known yet is exactly what happens when it occurs on a global scale, i.e. exactly how much the earth might warm up by and, indeed, what effect if any that would have.
So I'm saying that the scaremongering crap we all have to listen to is not based on scientific fact at all, as you quite rightly say. But the properties of CO2 are.
As for turning off a few light bulbs, you'd be surprised! I trained as an electrical engineer and spent 4 years working in power stations before I moved into electronics and computers, so I do know a little about large-scale power consumption.
The governments are thinking long-term here, and not just about domestic customers but industry too. You could do away with quite a few power stations if everybody in the entire country cut their electricity consumption by just a small percentage. But that's beside the point really. The population is obviously growing, and if people become naturalised to saving energy now, then it will be passed on to future generations hence reducing the need for extra power sources in the future
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Posted: 2007-06-11 19:54:42
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whatever happened to the hole in the ozone??
that kinda died a death....
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Posted: 2007-06-11 19:59:34
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i just heard in my class that CO2 and those chemicals will not dissapear, even if we stop using them, within +100 years.
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Posted: 2007-06-11 20:03:16
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@king... Re. Cyco,
cyco does have a point, and you somewhat misfired by stating the governments have better things to do than changing a few lightbulbs - interestingly, by recognising the iran-iraq-farce you acknowledge the opposite! Governments are obsessed with energy, but corrupted beyond plausibility when it comes to real action instead of reaction(ary bullshit )...
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Posted: 2007-06-11 20:04:08
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On 2007-06-11 19:59:34, fatreg wrote:
whatever happened to the hole in the ozone??
that kinda died a death....
Yes the whole in the ozone was CONTRIBUTED by man but we wernt the main cause. Now many CFC's are banned and the ozone is actualy healing its self remarkebly well. Its even staggerigng a lot of top scientists how well its healling. Global warming and ozone depleation however are totaly diffrent.
Good point to bring up. Isnt it funny tho, when we are scientificly proven to harm the environment (ozone depleation) we act and have stopped it but we havnt in this case? I wonder why? Maybe because its all a load of crap!
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Posted: 2007-06-11 20:05:59
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On 2007-06-11 19:54:42, Cycovision wrote:
@king
It's real because it can be reproduced on a small scale under laboratory conditions, and has been successfully reproduced several times.
All I'm saying is that CO2 does act as a 'blanket', it does indeed 'trap heat'. But what isn't known yet is exactly what happens when it occurs on a global scale, i.e. exactly how much the earth might warm up by and, indeed, what effect if any that would have.
So I'm saying that the scaremongering crap we all have to listen to is not based on scientific fact at all, as you quite rightly say. But the properties of CO2 are.
As for turning off a few light bulbs, you'd be surprised! I trained as an electrical engineer and spent 4 years working in power stations before I moved into electronics and computers, so I do know a little about large-scale power consumption.
The governments are thinking long-term here, and not just about domestic customers but industry too. You could do away with quite a few power stations if everybody in the entire country cut their electricity consumption by just a small percentage. But that's beside the point really. The population is obviously growing, and if people become naturalised to saving energy now, then it will be passed on to future generations hence reducing the need for extra power sources in the future
Im not saying your wrong. IMO I dont think the blanket is the case, however even if your right and we are causing GW we are only 1% like I said before, the sun outputs more energy a second then humans could contribute in a million years. I would say man made global warming is a lie. However if co2 is damiging the earth. Isnt it good for us? I mean shouldnt the plants be turning the co2 to oxygen, therefor protecting the environmant rather than damaging it?
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Posted: 2007-06-11 20:09:58
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Cyro,
I may be wrong and I may be a complete idiot! However, if we are the cause. Whats gonna happen next? Are we really gonna stop developing as a specis just because palm trees are growing in ice land and a few polar bear's are dieing? This is all evolution and nature is septilions tomes more powerful then man. It will change our climate with man made GW happening or not.
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Posted: 2007-06-11 20:17:07
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