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Thats some damage they can do. We only have a small airspace to defend unlike Russia which is vast.
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Posted: 2007-07-18 17:46:21
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TU95`s are still impressive despite there age, they use contra rotating turbo prob engines and have extensive range,,,,,,,,really extensive......eg russia to cuba with no refuelling.

During the cold war and to a certain extent still today many airforces "test" each others reaction times to scramble and intercept intruders, jaguar squadrons would fly very low, less than 200ft, along the east german border, in any weather to see how quick the "others" would react, in war time the jaguars job would be to enter this airspace to hit targets predesignated like airfields etc

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[ This Message was edited by: streetgang on 2007-07-18 19:54 ]
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Posted: 2007-07-18 20:50:21
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streetgang you sound like you know your stuff, have/do you work(ed) in the military?

strange how this has barely been reported on (nothing on the Beeb). i'm sure theres a lot that we dont know about too right now between the UK and Russia....
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Posted: 2007-07-19 10:38:30
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Thats what I was thinking, what with the situation being the way it is atm. Russia is still to give an appropriate response to the expulsions but I would be surprised if it was an incursion into our airspace because its not flexing its muscles against the UK but to the EU.
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Posted: 2007-07-19 10:48:28
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EU wades in to Russian-British Stand Off

(BRUSSELS) - The European Union Wednesday weighed into a flaring diplomatic dispute between Britain and Russia by criticising Moscow for failing to cooperate with a probe into the murder of a former agent in London.

Russia kept Britain in suspense about any response to London's decision to expel four Russian diplomats in a stand-off over the radioactive poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko.

Britain's EU partners rallied behind London in the growing row with the bloc's Portuguese presidency voicing "disappointment" with Moscow.

"The EU expresses its disappointment at Russia's failure to cooperate constructively with the UK authorities," the Portuguese presidency said in a statement.


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[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-07-19 11:33 ]
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Posted: 2007-07-19 12:33:17
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wouldnt i love to be a fly on the wall in the MOD board room....
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Posted: 2007-07-19 12:39:12
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It'll certainly be interesting. I bet this country is crawling with spies. The Litvenko case was just like something from a James Bond novel. Poisoned to death he was. Poor guy.
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Posted: 2007-07-19 13:02:12
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@ batesie, not been in the military as such, have always had an interest in it tho, once worked for a company that made lots of components for the military, if you remember the video footage from the nose of the smart bombs in the 1st gulf war, we made the component boxes etc for the tv/video relays, sights for tanks and personal weapons, we were very busy for marconi during the falklands war too with bits and bobs for torpedoes

common consensus is that the biggest threat thru espionage today is from china and not russia, for a start they have more money, industrial espionage has never really gone away, The reputation of British intelligence has always been one of ineptitude and large cock ups like laptops left on trains etc but the truth is that when human intel is required most nato countries come to us, we used to own half the world and have always had that advantage
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Posted: 2007-07-19 13:56:14
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Russia expels four UK diplomats

Russia is to expel four UK diplomats in the continuing row over Moscow's refusal to extradite the man suspected of Alexander Litvinenko's murder.
The four diplomats must leave Russia within 10 days, and Moscow is to review visa applications for UK officials.

Foreign ministry spokesman Mikhail Kamynin said co-operation in counter terrorism would no longer be possible.

On Monday four Russian embassy staff were expelled from the UK as part of the row over the murder in London.

Mr Kamynin also said Moscow would not apply for any UK visas for Russian officials.

Denies involvement

Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-KGB agent who had taken UK citizenship, died of exposure to radioactive polonium-210 in London in November 2006.

Traces of the radioactive isotope was found in several places visited by another former agent, Andrei Lugovoi.

Mr Lugovoi denies involvement and says he is a witness, not a suspect in the case and has told Russian television that the outcome of the inquiry had been predetermined.

Under the European Convention on Extradition 1957, Russia has the right to refuse the extradition of a citizen.

The UK has the right to request Mr Lugovoi be tried in Russia, but the UK's director of public prosecutions, Sir Ken Macdonald, has already turned down the offer.

The UK's director of public prosecutions has recommended Mr Lugovoi be tried for murder by "deliberate poisoning".
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Posted: 2007-07-19 14:33:10
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@streetgang, interesting! some good points there, fact is there'll always be things that happen that no more than a dozen or so people will ever know about. but its information like this one that Goldenface posted that the AP had and yahoo posted on there news site but nothing on BBC news or Sky news, the most popular ones? the definition of propaganda has changed a lot in the last 100 years....
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Posted: 2007-07-19 14:57:48
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