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@Phoneboy
Please show me anywhere i have said you should sell your SE's and buy a Nokia go on i dare you just once back up your pathetic claim with a fact. I am not going to praise SE when they get it wrong and if you consider pointing out what is wrong as flaming you seriously are in need of getting a life.
@all
Oh yes you are so right i should of congratulated them on doing such a great job on bothering to of not fixed things they already knew about being wrong and then not delivering what they said they would how incredibly silly of me to dare call them to task for being inept. I just don't know what i was thinking of LOL.
Some of you and your defense of SE irrespective of what they do is exactly why they continue with this attitude why bother spending time and money on delivering working products when you accept and congratulate them for not doing so.
The P1 bugs thread and all the other threads of the P1's missing or not working features in such a short time since release shows exactly what sort of quality products they continue to release and continues the wonderful reputation and experience of using UIQ, how very sad really and what's even sadder is that some of you just can't see it. You are then surprised at why only one Network has taken this device and why it's price for an alleged flagship device has fallen and no doubt will continue to do so. £500 on launch and already down to £300 odd stunning achievement well done SE. But don't worry I'm sure there will be a Firmware or 6 over the next 10 months that may fix most of it if your lucky.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-08-17 14:23 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-17 15:12:20
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On 2007-08-17 15:12:20, Dogmann wrote:
The P1 bugs thread and all the other threads of the P1's missing or not working features in such a short time since release shows exactly what sort of quality products they continue to release and continues the wonderful reputation and experience of using UIQ, how very sad really and what's even sadder is that some of you just can't see it. You are then surprised at why only one Network has taken this device and why it's price for an alleged flagship device has fallen and no doubt will continue to do so. £500 on launch and already down to £300 odd stunning achievement well done SE. But don't worry I'm sure there will be a Firmware or 6 over the next 10 months that may fix most of it if your lucky.
Marc
[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-08-17 14:23 ]
Marc are you really starting this again? You make it sound like SE is the only to mess up...and that implies you being biased.. again this is an SE forum so obviously SE users are going to find SE issues... WITH EVERY PHONE because no phone is perfect and we always expect more....
have you also read all the positive feedback about the p1i? or do you simple choose to harp on the bad things??? I have still yet to see a MAJOR BUG THREAD that needs to be addressed immediately.. the nusiance bugs are no different then the nusiance bugs found in my old n95.
[ This Message was edited by: DragonEye on 2007-08-17 15:43 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-17 16:38:20
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I'm sure I never saw the P1i over £400 at launch. Even Expansys sold their first few at £399 but soon dropped to £370 in line with other online companies
these prices are generally not set by SE but by the online companies such as expansys, mobilefun, mphone, clove etc that sell them, and its purely because they know there will be initial high demand. I see most are still at that level though mobilefun have reduced theirs now to £325 so I expect otehrs will follow because of that... but thats just competition
I've just done a hunt around and cannot find them available for £300 except from HK on ebay where the chance of being hit by import tax is very high (as you point out in your E90 sale thread) thus making it considerably more than £300.
Indeed just today I have received a tax bill for my x1387 P1i purchase... and just when I thought I had got away with it! damn.. oh well...! but thats the price of wanting it before its available locally I guess...
I've read the P1 bugs thread and indeed can reproduce some of them if I try. But in general its working as well as my M600 was for my usage which includes phone calls, texting, email, data via 3g and wifi, music occasionally and video viewing once a week (Friday nights on the beer train home from work!)
back on topic though and I don't feel a great misdeed has been done if SE suggested at announcement that something would be part of the package but it wasn't when its available, as long as the actual product page describing the phone before its available describes the inclusions accurately. That way I know what to really expect
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Posted: 2007-08-17 16:49:02
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@DragonEye,
I made an honest comment on the current status as i see it based on facts and if all the SE Fan boys can't handle the truth well tough i am not going to praise SE when they clearly are not doing a great job, what possible reason reason should I?
If none of you can argue and disprove what i am saying is lies and can only resort to personal insults and name calling i will continue to defend what i say as MO, i will not tolerate abuse from people with little or no brains just blind loyalty.
If this upsets so many of you and you can't handle hearing the truth fine petition Masseur and Laffen and get me banned as i will not be silenced because the truth is upsetting to some. I'm just not that weak and have the courage and conviction that what i am saying is true. I am not rude insulting or abusive unlike many who feel it's OK to suggest i have said and do things i haven't and lie about them
If you succeed in getting me banned i wouldn't want to be here anyway as that is sorry state of affairs if people are only allowed to praise SE and an affront to Freedom of speech.
Where have i ever suggested it is only SE and as we are discussing the P1 what possible relevance does what any other manfactuer do have as always the answer is none. Yours is the argument of defeated intellect the only way to justify SE's wrong is others do it also. Can you not see just how totally absurd that is your logic is SE are not the only ones so that makes it OK, that's just so funny.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-08-17 16:54 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-17 16:52:20
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@Marc
lol i don't care to have you banned... i have no issue with you... it just seems you are exceptional hard on SE.... is there a reason you're not as hard on nokia or moto or whoever? Is there another forum where you roam that blasts nokia for all it's shortcomings and bugs? if so please share.. (i'm personsally very curious)
otherwise a lot of times.. the things you type.. are being interpreted as the following.... eventhough they may have truth to them
1)SE lies
2)SE releases unfinished and buggy products
3)if you keep waiting you can hope for a firmware that might fix it but it probably won't so you can wait for the next one...
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Posted: 2007-08-17 17:02:44
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@DragonEye
Go to Howard Forums and the E90 owners thread and see what happened when i criticised the E90 for only having an E series Music Player and not the same player as the N95. So you see if and when i find a fault or a feature lacking in any device i criticize it irrespective of who makes it. This idea i am this great Nokia supporter is just wrong, i have only used Nokia's for just over a year and only 6 or 7 devices in total.
I would of bought a Moto Q9 but it is still yet to appear i looked at a Z8 this morning but it was just rubbish, i did like the rubberised feel but the shiny plastic keypad and well below average Video playback didn't impress me at all. Plus i think it is very expensive for what it is.
Neither 02 or CPW had any P1's for me to play with although the CPW guy isn't very impressed with it and says they have had quite a few back with similar issues to the ones mentioned on the Forum.
I buy my devices by what the offer me and how well they fulfill my needs not just by badge which seems like a sensible way ti choose a device to me.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-08-17 16:18 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-17 17:17:32
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I think that the banning suggestion from you is a little extremist, and I'm sure many here appreciate your comments.
I feel that constant repetition of the same thing is probably what annoys most here rather than the fact that alot of what you say is true, and its true of most mobile products as you have indicated yourself having returned to the E61
The thing is that most manufacturers have issues of one sort or another and so its for people to pick what they are satisfied with, and people here on Esato are presumably mostly satisfied with SE products
Before this degenerates, and since we're now off topic and the original question is answered (and since its friday arvo and almost chillin' time!), I will close this now
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Posted: 2007-08-17 17:22:26
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