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nokia is boring behind touchscreen technology, of course it has the money and technology is already everywhere, i am just puzzled how it cant release a decent touchscreen long ago if it has the edge.
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Posted: 2007-10-16 18:09:22
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On 2007-10-16 17:35:17, Dogmann wrote:
@Boinng
You really think that Nokia have done all of this just since the announcement and launch of the iPhone and as knee jerk reaction you must be mad. As if so that would mean they have the most amazeing R&D in the world to be able to work in that sort of time frame it's virtually impossible to be done how ever much money you threw at it.
If you threw enough money at it, and had an obvious model to copy and compete with, and already had the base OS in place, of course you could do it. Nokia aren't short of resources, the whole world has known all about the Iphone interface since January, and in 9 months Nokia have developed a touchscreen interface for their already mature OS to compete with it - not exactly putting a man on the moon, is it?
If you love or hate Nokia you have to admire them for constantly bringing new innovations to market and i seriously doubt these devices will fail
Surely you can hear how ridiculous that sounds, in this context? New innovations?! An interface that couldn't be more like Multitouch if they tried (and they have), coupled with Haptics that the Razr2 has had for months - thank you Nokia! How would we manage without them?
It surely proves Apple where not 5 years ahead of everyone else
They never were, but anyone with any knowledge of smartphones already knew that, didn't they? The only people saying Apple were 5 years ahead, were the same people that thought the internet on your phone was a really neat new idea...
in fact it is Nokia that are ahead with the tactile feed back, Flash LITE 3.0 and all the existing S60 apps that will work on it from day one.
No, it's Nokia who are playing catch-up, and not just with Apple either. Honestly, a few months ago you'd have sworn blind that touchscreens were unnecessary and for a limited market, but now they're not just great, but Nokia invented them! Forget about it. Touchscreens aren't new, they aren't any more useful than they always were, and haptics aren't a new innovation either. Flash Lite 3? Well that's nice, but are we really suggesting that every other manufacturer isn't about to add that too, it being the natural successor to well, Flash Lite 2? And shouldn't we be directing the praise for that at Adobe, who created it, rather than Nokia?
As for all the S60 apps working from day one, well I'm sure they will, but I'm equally sure they won't respond to "touch" until they're recompiled for the touch interface. Because Nokia aren't that prescient - until somebody saw the iphone, there was no touch in S60.
You really think this makes Nokia weak personally i think it makes the other manufacturers extremely vulnerable as Nokia are not just releasing a iPhone style device but many devices including one with full qwerty. All on a well established platform with tons of both free and paid for apps and you can be sure it will be at least 3G, HSDPA, WiFi G and all the other things Nokia devices bring including fast new processors and graphics to make the most of these devices.
If any one is now weak and threatened it is SE as now Nokia will have a Symbian touch screen device to compete directly with them and if these devices launch before the P3 and the P3 is lacking in spec it will be game over for SE and their already small market share will be gone.
I think it makes them weak in spirit, and weak in moral fibre. You're probably right, S60 "touch" will be much stronger competition for UIQ as it now has one of the main selling points of UIQ covered, and people will ask (a) why do we need two different Symbian touchscreen UI's, and (b) why should I go for UIQ when the whole world already uses S60. And to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't destroy UIQ - because we all know UIQ3 hasn't gone down well generally, and the P3i will have an uphill struggle selling UIQ4, or whatever comes next. And maybe SE will end up writing off the half of UIQ they still own, and go over to WM - perhaps, considering the deal they reportedly did with HTC recently, that's already underway.
The thing is, I think that's all extremely bad news for Symbian, and for S60, and for Nokia. Because ultimately, by destroying one segment of the Symbian market in pursuit of creating a cheap copy of the Iphone, they'll just end up making themselves and their choice of OS seem shabby and second rate in the process. In a pincer movement between Apple and the next major version of WM, are they still going to look so innovative even in your eyes? I doubt it.
There is just to much competition out there right now even you have gone for a TYTN over a P1.
Very true, because for me it was time for a change - but don't kid yourself into thinking I'd ever have considered a S60, touch enabled or otherwise.
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Posted: 2007-10-16 18:17:18
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i'll never consider having a franchise to be nokia touch interface smartphone in the near future... i hope it wont bring chaos to s60.
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Posted: 2007-10-16 18:23:50
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Its nothing new, whichever way Nokia puts it. But i'm glad touchscreen will be a part of nokia's phones.
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Posted: 2007-10-16 18:54:49
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i think this is fantastic,it broadens the variety of choices...
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Posted: 2007-10-16 19:13:53
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londonlad123 Posts: > 500
Im gonna agree with qvga on this one. Also, I disagree that nokia are the ones that are gonna make the other manufactures take TS seriously. Apple already did that and then took it to another level.
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Posted: 2007-10-16 19:21:16
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instead of joining UIQ once again nokia has decided to go solo.
well let them, lets hope the competition is strong enough for people to think twice and make a better choice.
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Posted: 2007-10-16 20:05:03
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@Bart
What possible reason would Nokia have to join UIQ with all it's problems especially when they have a far better choice that they already know and that requires very little if any modification for a Touch UI.
@Boinng
Where in any of my posts have i said i intend to go back to using a touchscreen in one of the other threads i have said it may be the one thing that does. But then i have said the same about UIQ and the P3 if it delivers, unlike you i would never say i won't ever use an OS just because of who makes it as that limits my options for no good reason other than what you hate Nokia your loss no one else's as in my experience S60 really is a great UI well i like it anyway.
Firstly maybe it has escaped your attention but Nokia are launching device's not just one, one of which will have a full qwerty so which Apple phone has that copied then?
Secondly Moto's' haptic is on 3 music control keys only not the whole touch screen so no it's hardly the same thing and who else has this on the whole touchscreen anyone?
I have already answered point three as to your incorrect assumption that i am converted to using a touch screen again or how brilliant they are either. As to Flash Lite 3.0 of course Adobe created it it's there app. But whilst all over the forums people want this Nokia are delivering yet again first and where did i ever suggest no one else will add it in the future all i pointed out was that Nokia will be first to market with it.
As for this quote
"As for all the S60 apps working from day one, well I'm sure they will, but I'm equally sure they won't respond to "touch" until they're recompiled for the touch interface. Because Nokia aren't that prescient - until somebody saw the iphone, there was no touch in S60."
Really like to let us into the secret of how you know this as i tend to have more belief in a Nokia VP's information than yours, after all this is a Nokia statement not SE.
You think this makes Nokia
" I think it makes them weak in spirit, and weak in moral fibre."
How and why? as far as i am concerned ever since the launch of UIQ3 this is the only position SE is the best at with out competition.
Your last point is just so wrong Nokia have more than just decided to change to a touch screens because of Apple what ever you may think it goes along with their belief of a changing Internet and Media experience and fits in with OVI user experience. This is the difference Nokia doesn't remain stuck it changes to adapt to the ever changing market and continues to improve the user experience by constantly bringing the latest tech to us all.
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Posted: 2007-10-16 21:11:23
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lol @ the doggman and Boinng debate. Boinng if i was you, i would give up on your debate. doggman does know his stuff.
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Posted: 2007-10-16 21:58:32
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londonlad123 Posts: > 500
Dont forget, the lg viewty has haptic feedback throughout the UI (not that one button with haptic feedback isnt haptic feedback, it is) and samsungs armani has too - its nothing new, maybe recent.
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Posted: 2007-10-16 22:11:14
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