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@vegetaleb



Why wait? Go for the N95 now. The k850 is inferior to N95 in ALL aspects except battery life. Even the cybershot sticker failed as K850 produce worse picture than N95 with its washed out, blurry, noisy and unnatural colored pictures. And with the many reported bugs plaguing the K850 now, it is just a very bad buy option compared to N95.
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Posted: 2007-10-25 03:51:24
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Do some more research on photos before taking mibs advice. In my observations, K850 is slightly better than N95 in overall camera performance.

This is something you have to check out for yourself rather than take mib's or my word on it. There are a massive number of both K850 and N95 phtos available to check out.

In all other respects I agree with what mib has said - if you like the look of the N95, the Nokia UI, and the better feature set, and don't mind poor battery performance, go the N95.
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Posted: 2007-10-25 05:30:28
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K850 pics washed out huh?

take a look at this:

K850



N95-3



is that what you call washed out?

i think you should also consult plankgatan regarding the proper use of camera instead of relying with GSMArena's weak review of K850's camera - how dare them comparing a prototype with a month old released N95?



hey is N95 stable in it's early released? don't it have bugs? or doesn't it got memory errors etc? i guess it will just take some time and K850 firmware will be as stable as it's predecessors K750 and K800 did
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Posted: 2007-10-25 06:17:53
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@vegetaleb

I hope you didn't buy a N95 yesterday, I think you will be disappointed. I bought one just after they came out in the States. I kept it for about 4 weeks before selling it at a market here in Moscow. The only thing I liked about the phone was the concept.

Once I got lost here so I took my GPS enabled N95 out to see where I was, after 20 minutes of standing around with my N95 in my hand (not advisable in Moscow) I switched it of as I could get a satellite fix even with clear visible sky (maybe the GPS problem has been resolved?)

Can't advise on the K850 still got my K810 but thinking of a P1i.


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Posted: 2007-10-25 06:38:48
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imo tha battery life is one of the most important issue at a fone like n95, which offers so many features, so the n95 8gb would be a better option imo
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Posted: 2007-10-25 11:36:20
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I am a loyal SE customer since the T68 but I must admit the k850 is an ugly phone + it doesnt have nor gps nor wifi + smaller screen(i am a heavy wap user) ...So I decided to wait that the k850 is officially out to check the real price,if it comes out more than 600$ so I will get a n95,less than 600$ I will wait 2~3 weeks and get a k850
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Posted: 2007-10-26 02:12:15
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@maxwedge
@razec


Want to see washed out pictures of K850 compared to N95. See below.


http://www.phonedaily.com/news/?news_id=6166

K850 photo failed miserably compared to N95 in daylight. Only in total darkness K850 excel. Look at skin color of girl and you can see how bad the color (or lack of color) that K850 produce.

http://smape.com/en/reviews/n[....]Ericsson_K850ivsNokia_N95.html

N95 produce more natural color picture than K850 which tends to distort all shades of red into pink. And K850 picts are more burry and noisy.




[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2007-10-26 05:14 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-26 05:59:00
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you must have read this before making a conclusion matey:

Following the subway theme, let’s give another glimpse of portrait shooting indoors. One might expect N95 win here as well, but much to our astonishment it was K850i that produced a considerably better photo save for a bit blurry background. Look how N95 camera renders the hair – it’s overcome with artifacts, besides the face is blurred which is clearly not the case of K850i.

again, same post processing exist in N95's camera that's why it could oversharpen and oversaturate the image to make it better looking than K850. this was clearly evident when the review of the second link said this: "The SE phone produced a more vague image that looks like it needs some editing to match the superb photo taken with N95. The latter displayed a bad habit of processing the image just a bit too intensely, but still the photo is as good as it comes. " this algorithm has really an advantage, you could hide some overexposed details and sharpen any blurred objects with that, as shown by GSMArena comparison review when N95 and K850 captured the same bench under a strong lighting. From this hypothesis we can derive the conclusion overprocessing-algorithm always takes advantage over K850 when shooting against bright background. improving dynamic range and can render better colors by 60%. but the price is unacceptable, detail lost and jagged edges are more evident. and this can never be corrected anymore by photoshoppings or anything. K850 on the other hand tries to naturalize the colors by it's natural processing algorithm which in fact reveals the weakness of the all CMOS sensors. but this can be corrected by picture editing without heavy detail loss as compared to N95.

you would also notice that in every review many reviewers mention that K850 has more noise than N95, again the overprocessing works for N95 as it's shield to this kind of criticism. I don't know why people always stare on this issue. Nokia's processing trick has been witnessed since N73 vs K800 test.

Nokia and SE uses the same CMOS sensor, but the differences in color saturation as seen in those images were caused primarily by the algorithm used by each phones. K850 uses the natural algorithm but with the sensor weakness it can't be as good as the one captures by a CCD like imobile 902. N95 however used that kind of processing to achieve those colors but in reality if N95 used the same algorithm SE used you term washed-out on k850 would be the same in the case of N95.

those two things: over sharpening and oversaturation make Nokia's trick successful. again you may look at my early post to prove you how inconsistent that kind of algorithm could be. it can make good shots but without a big percentage of possibilities that you can achieve real excellent results. this has been proven by almost all reviewers out there like mobile-review and so on.

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[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2007-10-26 09:08 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-26 10:00:11
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i hope this isn't turning into another nokia vs se debate! I'll stay neutral there as generally have an se bias.. But posting this from my n95!
I'd say go 4 one, mine's brilliant, tho batt life sucks a bit. U can get a nearly new one now for about 200 quid or so, u get a lot of phone for that!
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Posted: 2007-10-26 10:16:00
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About battery life,how bad it's?
For exemple I charge the battery of my K800 every 48h now that it's 1 year and 1/4 old and I just use 40 mins of wap every day so if it's the same with the n95 it's far to be a problem for me
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Posted: 2007-10-26 11:01:54
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