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I've been saying this since 2MP camera phones hit the market, and just like they've said as well, more megapixels doesn't equal better quality. And the same thing will continue to happen down the line.
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Posted: 2008-01-02 10:38:51
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I agree.
I would like to see the quality improved in the current 3.2 - 5.0MP cams that are on offer. People will eventually see through this ridiculous race to see who can build that 1st 20.0MP cam phone.
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Posted: 2008-01-02 10:50:01
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I agree- i've been pointing this out in posts for a year or so now as well.
The problem is that the average Joe in the street doesn't (and doesn't want to) bother learning about any of the technology they buy. It's a markting exec's wet dream out there when msot people think more pixels=better. Nothing will change
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Posted: 2008-01-02 10:55:56
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What I can say is that this
may depend on the form factor or the company manufacturing the cameras and the lenses I have always taken good pictures with my motorola v360. Tha is one of the reasons why I wouldnt get rid of it anytime soon.
The only difference I have observed which is a huge disadvantage is the size and the zooming of the picture. Take for instance if you use digital zoom, at most the
picture quality is distorte andf that is why I only zoom once or dont zoom at all.
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Posted: 2008-01-02 11:20:26
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We need bigger Image Sensors , not more MegaPixles
for example , I heard that next generation of the K850i would have 1/2.5" sensor , because when the sensor becoms bigger , the picture would be more detailed
and also the lens width is another factor
More MPs means larger printouts and larger monitor review
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Posted: 2008-01-02 11:35:09
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Without using better sensors the quality of a 7.0MP cameraphone won't be that much different from a 3.2MP so in a way the customer is being short-changed by this megapixel race.
Lets hope they wake up and give us better hardware.
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Posted: 2008-01-02 11:42:46
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All the things that are said here are those that once crossed my mind about these megapixels and at one point in time I wrote this:
The camera satisfaction thread and I think that once this problem is solvec we will be able to find a phone that can be the answer to this thread
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Posted: 2008-01-02 12:09:34
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On 2008-01-02 09:26:12, max_wedge wrote:
Preuming it's a high quality sensor then the bigger it is the more detail on the picture. Afterall why would hasselblad have a 39MP sensor? Their lenses (large format) need a large hi MP sensor in order to achiever the same result as film.
Agree to some degree Max. Hasselblad, Mamiya, etc have photosensor size around 4x5cm, same or bigger than K800 LCD. If someone ever allign many K850 5mp photosensor to match the size of the medium format photosensor then it may become (equal) few hundreds (100s) mp worth. Can it match 39mp medium format image quality? I bet my live it will not. Also those medium format can put high mp because they can without sacrificing IQ. Also because their lens resolution can preserve the detail. In fact in some dSLR community, many ppl questioning how many mp their lens can preserve detail. The idea is if you have a mediocre lens then the lens can't show more detail even if you increase mp.
Sensor technology will improve and it will be less noise with each generation. There may be days when we can get magnificent IQ with 12mp camera phone but we are not there yet. I just hope SE will get the balance right to get better IQ.
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Posted: 2008-01-02 12:24:43
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exactly. I think what those articles are getting at is that 6MP is about optimum for a compact digicam given current manufacturing ability. As techniques for sensor resolution (without noise) increase for small size sensors, that optimum 6MP will rise higher.
But for now, I think compact digicam makers need to focus on better quality sensors rather than higher megapixels. For example, if they want to keep making sensors smaller (for small form factor compact cameras) they should do it at the cost of megapixels and not at the cost of introducing more noise.
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Posted: 2008-01-02 12:32:48
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On 2008-01-02 01:22:30, razec wrote:
I always use 2Mp in my camera when taking pics, 3mp if i wanted more details - i never use resolution higher than that.
No! always use maximum resolution. when you use lower resolution, the camera will take the picture at maximum resolution and then reduces it internally. so saving picture will be longer, and you can apply better downsample algorithm with softwares like photoshop. a 12MP camera still have smaller photodiodes than a 6MP(with same sensor size) so using 6MP setting on a 12MP camera will not bring better quality compared to using maximum resolution on a 6MP camera. so always use maximum resolution!
On 2008-01-02 02:53:07, Brightspark wrote:
the figure is more like 3MP (ie there is no need to have anything above that unless you're a pro photographer).
yeah. for digital compact cameras 6MP is enough, for camera phones 3MP(photodiodes bigger than 3µm).
On 2008-01-02 03:37:04, Brightspark wrote:
afterall, the number of megapixels is quantifiable(obviously) whereas quality isn't.
exactly! that's why Fujifilm discountinued F30/31(6MP) and F40(8MP) and joined the megapixel war with F50(12MP). just read
Dpreviewe's Fujifilm forum about comparing F50 with F30/31.
it's also far cheaper for them to increase the number of megapixels than it is to increase the quality significantly
nope! increasing MPs means creating smaller photodiodes(since sensor size can't be bigger) and needs newer technology. but why they bother themselves? exactly for previous reason, MP war(the fact that the number of megapixels is quantifiable and most people will choose MP over IQ)
and they can reap better sales as a result
they sales better because most people don't know what makes IQ better.
it's a win-win situation for the brands
and lose-lose for consumers(but they don't know!).
On 2008-01-02 04:51:40, hanugro wrote:
I think ppl will learn. When they try their new bigger mp cameraphone that turn out to produce more noise than their old smaller mp one.
no! not all. an obvious example is Plankgatan.
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Posted: 2008-01-05 00:00:27
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