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*sigh* Where do all these "the hardware doesn't say OMAP, and the phones are not specifically targeted at the fifteen richest CEOs in the world, so the platform is dead" lines come from? I swear to god, there's got to be some retard writing them and posting (in horrible english) everywhere on the net.
Seriously, there's no other explanation.
In any case - The problem with UIQ is that they're too beholden to their customers, or SE. So if their customers, like SE, decides to ruin the platform with sub- par solutions, then UIQ looks bad. But fortunately for SE, it seems that this retard who writes the "OMAP or bust" narrative all over the net, doesn't understand that it's SE who programs the solutions on the top of the system. Because, you see, he's speaking for "the masses", who are also retards. And since that means all their customers are idiots, that means SE apparently thinks they should switch platforms in order to.. I suppose.. avoid actually working on the code, and ruin another platform. Because it doesn't matter if it says OMAP, or at least gets the stamp of approval from the retard in the basement by being "high- end". You know, if it has 513, or 514(!)Mhz. Who cares about UI solutions if it's 514Mhz! Woot!
I wonder how that's going to work out. Really, don't tell me, I want it to be a suprise when the x1 comes out... Not that it /can/ be a failure if it has OMAP! of course.. Because, I suppose, the vast majority of smartphone users really only use their phones as a modem, anyway. Obviously.
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Posted: 2008-03-25 12:59:37
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It may descend into terrible english, but the article still makes a valid point. UIQ has never since hit the same height as the P800/P900, and has yet to recover from the debacle of the P990. Most other smartphone OS's are going through a period of rapid progression and heavy competition, but the only UIQ phones SE has announced for this year are basically rehashes of the same tech they were peddling in 2005/6, albeit with a suitable price cut and repositioning to the lower end of the market. Not bad phones in themselves, but not enough to maintain any kind of momentum in UIQ development. The G series looks more like a UIQ3 fire sale.
I'm sure some amazing announcements may well be just around the corner, but it's all getting a bit too late in the day. S60 will have touch support soon, Android will be making an impact, the Iphone is still growing, and Windows Mobile 7 is likely to be a strong contender too. The number of people who care about UIQ4 is dwindling by the day, and has been for the last year or more.
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Posted: 2008-03-25 18:30:35
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LOL!!! Please change the thread's topic.... It's not even close to the real situation...
Even though UIQ3/P990 were a disaster in the begining, have still managed to get popular enough and if sales are to be consirdered then P990 and P1 msut be the highest selling UIQ phones ever... Also, G700 and G900 are mid-high end and not high end phones and will sell a lot too...
Anyways, P-Next might be announced soon, so we will see how dying UIQ is... LOL!!!!!
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Posted: 2008-03-25 19:33:36
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Hi all
Well the only ones that seem to believe all is fine are those that can't bear to even look at a device if it's not from SE/UIQ and how ever much you want to remain blinkered to the missing tech in their devices it is obvious to the rest of us.
@Nipesen
It's not just about the weak chip although this is the main reason that UIQ is missing HSDPA, you seem to of conveniently forgotten your discussion with Michal over at My Symbian G Series thread where he explains very clearly why although he considers UIQ a superior platform it is suffering from a lack of up to date hardware. Also i wouldn't call anyone that doesn't agree with you as a retard as that just makes you look like one.
@all
Michal Jerz manages to make these points better than i could so i would advise some of you to read the G series thread at this link and see what is being said about what is missing from UIQ and why it actually does matter.
http://mysymbian.com/forum/vi[....]tdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20
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Posted: 2008-03-25 20:12:19
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It's a fair point that the UIQ devices have not been at the high end with the hardware.
And it's also true that the software that comes with the phones isn't the most impressive.. visually, at least. While they also have some very annoying lacks and limitations.
And the developer- tools and the documentation for UIQ are.. difficult to agree with. Specially when some of the apis are undocumented or non- existent. That's sort of a bummer.
It's also obviously some ways off before UIQ will be able to incorporate hardware- acceleration in their UI and menu- system, without losing too much resources. So the really flashy UIs the next few months will probably belong to WM and Apple, even if it won't really be anything new. That is all true.
But to suggest this has something to do with how well UIQ can perform as a system - not so much. Never mind that it's perfectly possible to create an efficient message- application on a 200Mhz cpu - if you at least try to think about efficient code. Or that the ideal market- segment for SE's UIQ devices would be around the parts where people will want a smartphone.. with some useful sync and planner functions - but without the hangs and the needed daily recharge, even on moderate use. Or for those who still want to have a phone, and not a heavy brick (specifically about SE's lineup, I mean).
But it's still the case that the biggest weakness in UIQ is the lack of care with the manufacturer- specific implementations so far (and the exclusive control to some apis UIQ gives those manufacturers).
So while I obviously agree that the largest part of development, and money in development, will be, and always is - with the latest and greatest attempts to expand the "green flashing button, or red flashing button" theme. For example into 3d red and green buttons with animations, and so on... That's not really suggesting anything about the market potential for a slightly less visually astounding device - after the programs on it would be coded properly, at least.
It's also the case that anything materially different from what we have now is not going to turn up very soon. So again we're left with that the argument really is: because a device does not have OMAP and 3d screens on it - it must be useless, and spell the doom for the platform it runs on - because noone would want to develop for a platform that's "lagging behind". And I think that's ridiculous.
Connectivity- options is another thing, of course. And we all hope mobile and wireless data- transfer is going to be cheaper and more available soon, so that's something SE should be reacting to sooner rather than later. That has nothing to do with the platform, though. Just like don't having an UIQ device with a large processor somehow limits the development of that platform.
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Posted: 2008-03-25 20:30:05
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Hey Mark, sure the current UIQ3 phones lacks many things which should have been there, like EDGE, etc... But the thread's topic, UIQ dyeing??? Not at all close as I said... I agree with the negative points though...
From G700's Review from Mobile Review (Translated from google):
"Sony Ericsson G700 model will be on sale in June of this year. The cost of the phone will be about
300 dollars, which makes it the cheapest automatically smartphone with a touch screen."
See the price??? That can make it a best seller...
"Now turn to the tar, you can not do without. In the device does not support EDGE, for many who did not enjoy the third generation networks, it will be critical. Lack of WiFi looks as weakness on the other side of the older model G900, it is, with a difference of
50 dollars, it is justified. In
Sony Ericsson G900 also slightly better camera, its permission 5 - megapixels."
Again, see the price of G900... Another best seller...
"Does the model of direct competitors, devices capable to offer something similar for similar money? I find such models failed."
Some camera pictures from the review (I picked the best ones):
"In sum, I note that Sony Ericsson G700 is one of the strongest proposals in the market. No analogues, and they can appear on only comparable price in a year, and that is too long. There is no built-in GPS receiver, but with the help of external accessories such functionality is achievable, but it is too much for such a device. The developers have tried to create a user-friendly telephone and coped with its task to excellent. Staff surprisingly ladny, convenient. By this model worth carefully, especially if you are not indifferent to the convenience of touch screens."
Something about P-Next as well:
"After all, and worth waiting to buy the next flagship of the company, which will continue to vary the best quality materials (metal), a better camera and sound, a richer bundling (desktop glass memory card)."
Link:
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/sonyericsson-g700.shtml
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Posted: 2008-03-25 20:35:23
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Most of us agree that visually and functionally UIQ3 is lagging behind UIQ found in the P900. There are obvious improvements in the background but there is still much work to be done.
I believe the jury is still out with regards to UIQ3, despite SE's blunders so far it still has a chance - but not for long.
I think UIQ (meaning the whole UIQ family including UIQ3/4) has one big advantage, namely touch screen support, that puts it one notch above S60 for the time being. However, this will change very quickly once S60 with touch screen is made available. Hence, the time limit for SE to get its act together.
Touch screen and better build quality was SE's advantage over its main competitor, Nokia. If SE looses its advantage with these two features, I very much doubt they can hold on to the smart phone market.
It's my opinion that Symbian is better suited to mobile applications. Nokia seems to have gotten it right with N95 8 GB, now it is SE who needs to make the effort and catch up, unlike the times of the P900 which was the envy of all competition. Getting custom devices built by other companies is not going to cut it, SE has to look hard on how they got the P900 right and take serious lessons from there.
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Posted: 2008-03-25 23:01:45
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hardware aside i personally will find it difficult to buy another uiq smartfone with the lack of software support for it. Each time its mentioned somebody claims that the new batch of handsets will bring developers onboard but this hasnt happened when last promised with the m600,w950,p990 and it hasnt happened with the p1 and w960 and before i spend my cash on either of the gseries models id like to have some software i can install on them. Check any warez site or even handango and there is very little uiq 3 software available so whats the point in buying another uiq smart phone when your forced to use it as a dumb phone anyway through lack of software!
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Posted: 2008-03-26 01:01:35
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On 2008-03-25 08:27:49, MIK-3 wrote:
"stopped to be exited since P900"
what does that mean?
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Posted: 2008-03-26 08:32:00
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On 2008-03-26 01:01:35, dgable wrote:
hardware aside i personally will find it difficult to buy another uiq smartfone with the lack of software support for it. Each time its mentioned somebody claims that the new batch of handsets will bring developers onboard but this hasnt happened when last promised with the m600,w950,p990 and it hasnt happened with the p1 and w960 and before i spend my cash on either of the gseries models id like to have some software i can install on them. Check any warez site or even handango and there is very little uiq 3 software available so whats the point in buying another uiq smart phone when your forced to use it as a dumb phone anyway through lack of software!
Absolutely right - all the time UIQ languishes on just a handful of only moderate-selling phones, the motivation for anyone to develop for it dwindles away to nothing, and we've long been into a vicious cycle of no software = few users = no development = no software and so on. And before anyone lays into this guy for bringing up warez, you know what? Warez does have a bearing, it's something people look for, and the fact that there's virtually none for UIQ speaks volumes about the attractiveness of the platform. It's been left behind.
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Posted: 2008-03-26 08:56:53
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