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Honestly what would be the cost difference for CCD? Does CCD affect battery life that much? There are plenty of people that would invest in a phone that, for once, could be considered a legitimate substitute for your digital camera. I have decided against getting the k850 because of the poor(compared to what I expected) and inconsistent photos.Also the build quality was sub-par IMO. Had the k850i taken photos as well as promised I would have paid whatever the asking price was just for the convenience.

CCD produces SUCH better images on that scale it is worth the risk for a company if you ask me.
The k850 has been successful despite not living up to the hype(imaging wise compared to k800) and buggy firmware and shoddy build quality. Now think if SE had built a phone of solid construction and had blew away the competition in the imaging department, how much more successful do you think the k850 would have been? March has come and gone, there is no sign AT&T is picking up the k850a here in the states.
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Posted: 2008-04-17 03:23:39
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Abu
We're talking about a niche market to begin with, aren't we? We have people spending $400-$900 dollars in some cases just to have the best. SE should realize that none of their top models are for the average user. NONE! We are the market that is willing to spend a little extra if it is worth it, even alot extra in some cases. We like being the only ones to have "it", we like showing off what "it" can do....so on. What I'm saying is, that the top of the line phones of any company aren't geared for the average user to begin with. Those phones are geared towards us,"the ones willing to pay extra if it is better or the best."
Look at the N95's intial and continuing success despite abismal battery life. Again its that niche of people. They have since improved battery life, it is still sub-par IMO.
My friend has/had that Samsung from Verizon. I did not know that it had a CCD sensor in it. Those photos are impressive to say the least. The difference between the two is amazing. They should have pushed that fact a little bit more. Don't care much for Samsung's UI though. Thanks for that tidbit though.
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Posted: 2008-04-17 03:43:04
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CCD sensors are great but its simply that CMOS are cheaper and comsumes less bettery power. Im not sure about the cost diference but even if only a few cents or pence per sensor the cost saving could be huge. I know that most people I know with a camera phone, if I mentioned CCD or even CMOS I would more than likely get a blank expression. I think most consumers are not bothered about the CCD vs CMOS issue. They want to take half decent pics.
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Posted: 2008-04-17 11:25:51
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Hey, EddieAdams is right. Sony Ericsson is all about choices. Why are you all saying stuff like "SE are concerned that the average user wants this or that" and "the trend is CMOS". Or that crap about marketing strategies, trying to sell their low-end camers. Come on people, Sony-Ericsson have begun building different phones for different purposes. There are always users willing to spend the extra cash if they want a good phone with a kick-ass camera, and at the same time there will also be users with lower budgets or who only need a camera and will buy the low and mid-end cameras. It's all about choices.
And I think it's really shameful for Sony-Ericsson that an almost 2 years old phone from Thailand beats the crap out of their so-called Cybershot flagship, and while using a Sony camera module. Oh, and read the reviews. The I-Mobile 902 has quite a good battery life, even by SE's standards.
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Posted: 2008-04-17 12:46:57
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Then SE is saving a lot of dollars by providing us smaller cmos sensors,slower processors,smaller 262k screens etc.

Yes,common people don't care if the sensor is cmos or ccd,all the care is about quality of pictures. Thats why manufacturers have to use better sensors . (Imo,there shouldn't be anything smaller than 1/2.8 in high-medium range phones.I have used k550!).

If SE has access to sony's resources,SE has the luxury to choose a sensor from a vast pool of CCD and CMOS sensors.we can only hope!

[ This Message was edited by: shyam335 on 2008-04-17 11:55 ]
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Posted: 2008-04-17 12:54:41
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That last paragraph of yours is what pisses me off the most. The 902 HAS a Sony camera module in it!They should be embarrassed. Was SE not aware of the "interweb" and that we would catch wind of the I-mobile 902 regardless of the Taiwan exclusiveness.
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Posted: 2008-04-17 15:45:55
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Tranced
That is a great idea. If someone could make this into a petition thread it would be greatly appreciated. Any taker's?
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Posted: 2008-04-17 15:48:59
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Having just looked at the Sony UK website. The top of the range Digital SLR (A700) listed has a CMOS sensor where as the cheaper models have the CCD.
Most SLR's now use CMOS rather than CCD as CMOS standards have been raised a lot in the past few years. CCD uses more power and are bigger. This means either having a bigger phone to accomadate a bigger battery and CCD, which people would moan about, or rubbish battery life, which people would also moan about.
For camera phones a good CMOS sensor would do. The CMOS that most phone manufacturers use are cheap.
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Posted: 2008-04-17 16:16:55
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I dont know,how much time do we all use the camera.
yes,high end CMOS has improved a lot,but mid-low end just don't follow such pace of development.
Still id say CCD would be better since these sensors are really small (1/2...
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Posted: 2008-04-17 16:25:06
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Stop comparing camera phones to D-SLRs. Digital cameras afford to have MUCH bigger sensors than phones. And perhaps at those sizes, CMOS has become competitive.

But the fact remains, CMOS needs more light than CCD. And at the milimetric sizes that sensors come in phones, CMOS is a bad alternative. They take noisy, poor quality photos in bad lighting and increasing the exposure just makes the pictures shaky unless using a tripod. I just can't accept this happening in SE's "Cybershot" branded phones...

I'm not saying that all SE's camera phones should have CCDs. Most Walkman-branded phones have reasonable cameras without autofocus and nobody's complaining. I'd just like SE to offer the best they have in terms of camera in their Cybershot flagships, given that I-Mobile already showed us what can be done with a Sony module.

[ This Message was edited by: F-Lexx on 2008-04-17 15:53 ]
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Posted: 2008-04-17 16:40:50
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