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Not a very comparable incident though. Any winxp machine on the internet for two hours will be infected to the point you can't access the registry?

I myself have been to those houses were windows machines are completely clogged up with all sorts of crap. Most often it's because the end user has failed to take some or all of the basic precautions. (btw, my business is going to peoples homes and businesses to fix their computers so I do know what you speak of)

But you fail to realise one thing: those clogged up machines will be as common with Windows Vista as they are with XP

Hell, I've seen MAC's that are clogged up, and they don't even get viruses (but they can have too much crap installed and broken applications and error messages all the time) No OS is immune to problems.

Just because you see some XP machines around that are clogged up, doesn't mean they all are. What about the millions of XP machines that chug along day after day whose owners have very few problems if any with malware or viruses?

Another very big mistake you are making is claiming UAC is protection against viruses and malware. Some attacks yes, but there are still many ways to attack a host that UAC cannot detect or prevent. Overtime, UAC will become one of the tools that we use to protect our machines I have no doubt, but for now I still run Vista without it, and I don't feel any less secure. I still reckon up-to-date AV and a proper inbound and outbound firewall is the best protection (NOT Windows XP firewall).


No worries, I love a good argument
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Posted: 2008-05-15 13:24:17
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btw, here's a good utility that makes UAC a little more sensible. This article also explains why it's not good to rely on UAC to protect against viruses.

http://www.tweak-uac.com/uac-quiet-mode/
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Posted: 2008-05-15 13:29:10
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For those who know the ins and outs of a PC, turning off UAC should not create any problem
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Posted: 2008-05-15 14:02:09
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I love you too..




@Max wedge, thanks for the link. I agree with it fully, I might not be as detailed as that article but the point is that UAC is a final point of no return and I use it as it is. Depends how much patience you have.

"Is it dangerous to use the “quiet” mode of UAC then? It’s only dangerous if you consider yourself as one of the potential damaging factors and want to get an extra warning when you are about to do something potentially dangerous. (Yes, ignorance is always dangerous, not just when it comes to computers). However, if you are an experienced user and have some understanding of how to manage your Windows settings properly, you can safely use the quiet mode of UAC."

Ignorace is a bliss, someone also said. I will not judge my knowledge about computers, it is approach here that is judged. I was more annoyed when I was using some of the Linux distros with retyping my master psswd ever time I had a installation then with UAC.

Well, also is truth that some ppl do not deserve to have a computer with a kind of approach they have to it, so any complaining about malfunction of its OS is useless from their side. And its truth that UAC will not save them Again, in my case I have never bothered to switch it of as I see it as advantage and I do not suffer with that one click... Once I have changed the password on my yahoo mail account that I had for years and the next morning I couldn't remember it anymore. So, I have lost it and along with it some of the contacts valuable to me that I can not reach anymore. Sad but true. I could have take a minimum measure of precaution if I just wrote the bloody psswd down, but I didn't. The example is not related much with the UAC but you get my point


So when it comes to computers some of the things I do not mind if they can save me from myself.

Thanks again, it's a quality read... I will try tweakUAC


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[ This Message was edited by: kenoby on 2008-05-15 19:08 ]

[ This Message was edited by: kenoby on 2008-05-15 19:11 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-15 19:42:22
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Yep, tweakuac does look good. It might be enough that I'll consider using UAC on my new vista laptop. (after arguing so strongly against UAC!)

So you might be the winner of this argument after all

I'll be interested to see just how much tweakUAC improves the UAC pop up ratio.
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Posted: 2008-05-17 02:11:59
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After all the mess I had with XP and exploration of Linux for one year I ended up buying OEM Vista Ultimate for my Vaio laptop and now I can tell you it was worth every penny. Many software houses have learned to manage Vista so the time is now for it. After this SP1 release, even tho it was slow in the beggining and SP1 takes more time for an installation on a clean system then installation of the system itself, it is worthwhile. For me, that is.


btw it is 3.1GB of memory not 4 as reported by Vista. Still, paging is disabled and it is at 45% mem. load. But I do not mind... It is a price of developing the hw and sw.



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Posted: 2008-05-17 21:20:40
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I just bought an old dell latitude d410 laptop, Pentium M 740 1.8GHz, 512MB ram, 60GB hdd. I upgraded the memory to 2GB (maximum it would take), HDD to 160GB, and bought a copy of Vista Business. I'm loving this laptop, Vista hums on it and doesn't notice the fact the CPU is only single core.

I had a few problems with UAC causing problems for apps, soI've turned it off. Some apps are blocked by UAC without prompting. I'm sure this is the app's fault, ie: once apps are all written for Vista they will properly prompt UAC so the end user can allow (if they trust the app), but so far a few apps just won't run with UAC on. I'm gonna try those apps with TWEAKUAC, maybe that will solve the problem.
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Posted: 2008-05-18 10:30:55
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Our VB.net programmer had a problem with UAC for a short while. I'm not sure exactly how he solved it but it wasn't difficult apparently so yes, it is down to the developers I think.
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Posted: 2008-05-18 11:00:41
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@ Max, have you tried to adjust those apps before you run them again as I advised in few posts behind?

I also had some installation problems withsome apps, but they're solved quckly. Anyway mate, glad you like your gadget.

@Cycovision, I agree it is down to the software development.

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[ This Message was edited by: kenoby on 2008-05-18 10:46 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-18 11:39:03
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Yeah, it doesn't always help.



So given time it'll get better.
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Posted: 2008-05-20 12:58:28
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