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plankgatan Posts: > 500

well, it really shows that best point & shoot camera is; c902 and N82 (i rate c902 slightly higher though, because of easier auto camera), they handle all conditions in a better way.

it also shows that zn5 is great outdoor (which i agree on), but pissy indoor and night, (hardly some great point & shooter)

ps...someone remember this camera-test ??? (he he...just messing a bit )


question...why in Gods name did Motorola make ZN5 so damn UgLy ????
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2009-04-23 10:46 ]

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Posted: 2009-04-23 11:15:11
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number1 Posts: > 500

Just because the zn5 produces noisey indoor & low-light pics doesn't mean it's bad, it just has less noise reduction so more noisey but alot more detailed pics, the noisey zn5 pics are nicer than the C902's with it's heavily surpressed noise & the details also get heavily supressed aswell. The zn5 has twice as much detail than the C902.
The C902 doesn't even come anywhere close to a proper 5mp point & shoot, you really think the C902 could produce something like my sony p100 with it's 1/1,8″” ccd sensor & carl zeiss lens???.
I would have given the n82 5/10 & c902 6/10.

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Posted: 2009-04-23 11:49:02
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plankgatan Posts: > 500

one other thing is that this c902 pics is shot with the first firmware ever, (R3BA035 )...which is far from optimal.

i can insure that IF this pics (plain auto of course) had been shot with ex, R3EA037 it had been even more stable whitebalance and colours....no doubt about that

so in that case, c902 had probably handle some of this outdoor pics better then N82.
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Posted: 2009-04-23 12:13:07
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Raiderski Posts: > 500

I will post something interesting here quite soon...
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Posted: 2009-04-23 12:39:36
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nikolat Posts: 187

The C902 and N82 are both good, but I honestly prefer the N82. It has xenon, and I personally LIKE the pictures taken with the N82 more than the ones taken by the C902.

Personal preference is what drives me toward the N82.
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Posted: 2009-04-23 13:16:54
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blerk Posts: > 500

/me sits back to watch yet another endless debate about camera phones.
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Posted: 2009-04-23 13:43:03
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Raiderski Posts: > 500

next "C902 over everything" debate?

at first, C902 is not the only phone in which firmware was updated since first release. I think you missed Zn5 updates! you're not alone, people which did photos you posted missed that too

funny thing is that you want to tell us that Zn5 is crappy for indoor and night photos. only because of one comparision with old firmwares in both phones?


if you really need them in fullsize:
C902 - http://tinyurl.com/dap2wh
Zn5 - http://tinyurl.com/cvurfg


C902 vs. ZN5
page 1 - http://publish.it168.com/2008/0731/20080731043805.shtml
page 2 - http://publish.it168.com/2008/0731/20080731043806.shtml

N82 vs. ZN5
page 1 - http://publish.it168.com/2008/0805/20080805000705.shtml
page 2 - http://publish.it168.com/2008/0805/20080805000706.shtml

Zn5 - http://www.mobiset.ru/photos/[....]ber/02/motorola_zn5/zn5-36.jpg
N82 - http://www.mobiset.ru/photos/[....]ber/02/motorola_zn5/n82-36.jpg
[ This Message was edited by: Raiderski on 2009-04-23 13:00 ]

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Posted: 2009-04-23 13:54:21
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blerk Posts: > 500

I'd like to see some real world comparing, not just this "omg look at the noise" crap. Take picture in a controlled enviroment, with the latest firmware and same lighting conditions, then print those pictures on a default photo format, then judge what looks nice or not. Nobody ever print 5mp images at full size, they're *always* reduced for printing.

I've taken a bunch of photos with my C702 and had jessops print them on 18x13cm for me, and they look perfect. I put them in the same album as photo's taken by my kodak and new lumix camera and you wont be able to tell which photo is taken with what cam at this size. Normal photo size is a even a bit smaller at 15x10cm.

I wished people here would stop debating senseless things such as noise when these photo's are never printed at full size. Who in the right mind would use any camera phone or even a small digicam for A2/A1 prints? I guess the experts here all have a 56" high definition LCD panel at 3840x2160

I bet for average point and shoot any 2mp+ camera phone with AF will do just fine for average Joe to print their 15x10cm photos.
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Posted: 2009-04-23 14:26:01
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Raiderski Posts: > 500

I don't think that looking at full size is weird especially when pictures from both phones are very different in similar conditions. besides this is comparision then why should we look only at the top of the ice mountain and pretend there's nothing below? just because Plank said so and I cannot verify his words? some people don't care about full size, some care, some care about prints, some don't. relax
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Posted: 2009-04-23 15:15:25
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number1 Posts: > 500

These are just 5mp camphones , your saying 5mp is a resolotion too big for anyone to use?, 56" teles/screens do exist and are avaible, what about the 8mp & 12mp camphones??? , you'd need a 80inch or 120inch screen which arent as avaible as 56" screens.
I've never owned a phone with more than 3.2mp myself , and my digicams max resolotuion is only 5mp i also don't understand why'd i would need anything more, max i print my photos is full A4.
One day you might want to view your 5mp snaps on a 50" screen , or print out 1 as a small sized poster, so you would need the best fullsized quality, where it's gets silly is 8mp & 12mp you'd never have a screen that big and unless you need a poster for a billboard youd never print anything out that big and if you did need such sized prints you'd use a DSLR.
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Posted: 2009-04-23 15:16:15
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