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no way they're gonna put that module in anything thinner than at least 15mm.
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Posted: 2009-05-14 00:48:43
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HD video camera on Idou would make it competitive when you consider that Samsung already has it. I have a feeling that Nokia and LG's offerings are likely to spot HD video recording. This will put SE in a better technological space that they need and maybe garner more sales.

Hopefully someone at SE will see some sense and include it and extend Idou's shelf life.
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Posted: 2009-05-14 13:48:54
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In whichever cell they put it they better put it soon. In any case, it won't be a thin cell. They should copy samsung a bit better, if they want to be competitive. And actually this module is nothing new. What they really need is a true HD mode - or even better: a miracle - Now that will put them ahead of the competition
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Posted: 2009-05-14 17:56:27
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I never really agree with you often mario but, yes, they need to do something special very soon. Idou is on the right track but it is too long coming unless they adapt it to current and upcoming competition.

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Posted: 2009-05-14 18:31:29
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You know EMS, there was a time,long ago, when I was looking forward to my first top class cell, a mighty SE P800. I can't even remember if this forum was around by then (2002!?!?) Certainly I was not a member. (only became one in 2003 or 4) Anyway, SE with the P800, managed to capture my imagination, not exactly easy to do with a realist, like me. Se was supposed to 'shake' the world of mobile phones and I went with the hype. But weeks of waiting turned into months and another cell got announced by another company. It was not as hi spec as my dream cell but, althou it was announced later, it got released sooner ! Huh, what a shock it was - for everybody, me included. And not only that but it run on a spec down symbian, more like a cell and less like a pda. Now, keep in mind, I come from a computer era from early '80s when one has to program most of the stuff because there was nothing out there (unlike today). I instantly recognised the 'power' in a more simple system (Ada vs. Modula2 comparison come to mind - do a google/wikipedia). I went with Modula2 (and later C and eventually C++) and because of this thoughts I gave a try to the 'new commer'. Guess what - I instantly fell 'in love' with it and cursed SE for been so slow and full of excuses/promises. I went with that cell and only change it when I got a free upgrade (of course a cell with the same os). I was so sure, Nokia has a winning combination with the s60, I ended up buying shares from them when a promissing cell come out with the said OS. Of course I sold all my shares long ago. (is all documented on the forum). What the hell, even made a profit Eventually the whole world embraced 'my' beloved OS (which has changed a bit over the years as most things in life do). Now even SE dream about 'my' OS after dumping theirs. Makes one think, doesn't it.
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Posted: 2009-05-14 19:32:57
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Yeah, who would've thought symbian would be unified into 'Symbian Foundation' with its previously diverse OSs?

Anyway, SE's main problem is delays which in turn inhibits their competitiveness. Then there're quality control issues.

Let's just see what happens this year. Sony just posted over 1 billion euro loss which translates into the first annual loss in 14 years since these losses have been going since last year Q1. In fact, Sony has posted losses in all departments.

Ericsson is the healthy partner in the relationship, no debts and healthy reserves.

Bad news after bad news.

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Posted: 2009-05-14 20:17:51
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Thats nice.
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Posted: 2009-05-15 18:45:20
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To be fair, every manufacturer has problems when trying to make major changes. Even Nokia!

When SE finally gets their first Symbian Foundation OS device out, it should be relatively easy to create other devices and get them to market.

The first one is almost a proof-of-concept and the one that allows users to give feedback (i.e. we're the proper testers). In fact, the Idou will be one of the first Symbian Foundation OS devices - as the i8910 HD will be sticking with 5th Edition S60.

I've been told that Nokia is almost ready to show its next generation device, which will effectively replace the long overdue N97. It's much the same as the N97 but a lot thinner. Perhaps it will also use Symbian Foundation?

The delays to Idou may come because of the OS, not the hardware. I remember how long we waited for the first UIQ 3 devices because the user interface wasn't finished - and it was still s**t!
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Posted: 2009-05-18 12:54:14
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