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Enough people care about Apps to have downloaded a billion of them for the iPhone in less than a year. Maybe they were all ifart (they weren't) but that's still an impressive figure whichever way you look at it. Are all those people going to turn around now and say "who cares about Apps", ditch their iPhones and buy the Satio? No, of course they aren't. They're going to carry on playing with the Apps on their current phone, and then maybe transfer them to their next iPhone when they upgrade.



It certainly is - this basic concept of extending and improving the functionality of the device, of it being as much a pocket computer as a phone and just as programmable and open to new software, that's been the core of the smartphone dream since the term was first coined many, many years ago. It's fine that Bonovox doesn't care about apps, but to me it just confirms that Bonovox (like many others) simply doesn't want or need a smartphone. He's after a flashy featurephone with the best camera etc, and right now Satio may be just that, but of course the minute Samsung or whoever come out with a 15mp Pixon it'll be old news again. I suspect Bonovox's loyalty is to SE, but it certainly isn't to S60 or any other smartphone OS, since like he says - who cares about apps?
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Posted: 2009-06-02 14:58:50
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Instead of large paragraphs and such I'll put it bluntly.
Crappy hardware and a nice UI with a flood of crappy apps
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Extremely good hardwarer a nicer UI and a possibly good app selection if they do put the SE app store on it.
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Posted: 2009-06-02 15:07:50
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I admire your optimism, however, for once i agree with Boinng
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Posted: 2009-06-02 15:09:53
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guess why my former boss asked me whether I would like to create iPhone (not S60) versions of 20 (yes, twenty) J2ME games. not because S60 sucks, it's just iPhone development platform and distribution system which is excellent and much more friendly than S60 for profesional teams of developers and independent developers. you can hate iPhone but saying that applications mean nothing and SE can have better set of apps is a nonsense! when Steve Jobs said that iPhone and iPod Touch will be great solutions for mobile entertainment I laughed but today... well, today I understand that I was wrong but of course you will never understand if you don't have anything to do with software development and iPhone. I would like to see SE reaching for only 1% of iPhone success in software
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Posted: 2009-06-02 15:40:11
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My loyalty is with SE but i am also in admiration with what Samsung and LG are doing and achieving right now and the future for them looks rosy. Even Samsung beat Nokia with a S60 8 mega pixel smartphone. But no i care nothing for Apps but it does not mean i dont want a Smartphone. I have had many smartphones over the years but never bothered with Apps. I just dont see the point and that bloody iphone advert THERE'S AN APP FOR THAT GRRRR........ITS SO ANNOYING. Actually i just hate the iphone. I have owned smartphones from Nokia Sony Ericsson and Siemens over the years. Yes Siemens some years ago lol. This might sound like a stupid question but phones such as the LG Arena are they classed as Smartphones? I would certainly choose the Arena over Apple anyday i just dont like Apple full stop and hate itunes. The only apps i ever download are Opera Mini and Yahoo Go for email. Dont need anything else.

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[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2009-06-02 15:15 ]
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Posted: 2009-06-02 16:03:00
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what's this thing called "loyalty", and is there a purpose to it? if not, is it merely an emotional loyalty. if it is an emotional loyalty, then that loyalty is an irrational one.
there shouldn't be any loyalty to a company. people should buy what is best for them.

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Posted: 2009-06-02 17:07:03
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Guess i dont mean it like that its just more like something i have stuck with mostly over the years which is SE. Inbetween i have had other manufacturers but always came back to SE. Why cos of more than anything the interface battery life better than the competition and general SE quality. Though i will admit they have gone off the boil the past few years. I still love SE but sometimes i get tempted to go elsewhere until things improve. Thats kind of loyalty
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Posted: 2009-06-02 17:27:00
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so it's a habit?

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Posted: 2009-06-02 17:45:07
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Everybody's definition of a "smartphone" is different - I have heard some people call the LG Arena a smartphone, and it does have an impressive list of features including many of those that most smartphone users would expect, but for me it fails on the core point that it's OS isn't open to third party software, java aside. It does what LG have programmed it to do and that's all it will ever do - and that's my definition of a feature phone (or "dumbphone" to use the less kind term).

That doesn't mean to say the Arena isn't for you, though. You want a smartphone but don't use apps - so in other words, you want typical smartphone features but aren't interested in it doing anything more than it says on the box you bought it in. Well, arguably, that's the LG Arena, or the Samsung Pixon, or pretty much any other premium phone that has those features, whether it claims itself to be a smartphone or not. If you don't use apps and don't need a smartphone OS like S60, what's the advantage of the Satio over the Samsung Pixon12? Not a lot.

An Arena or a Pixon wouldn't suit me, because since I got my first smartphone in 2002 I've gotten used to accessing third party software to add features to my phones. I used to use my old P800 to edit files on my websites occasionally using FTP - I still do that sometimes on my iPhone today - and there simply isn't a single feature phone ever produced that has that kind of functionality built in. Why? Because it's a minority interest of course, nobody would ever buy an LG Arena because it had a built in FTP client, but many people choose smartphones because they carry the option of an FTP client, or a Tube map, or an ebook reader, or a Twitter app, or a thousand other things that no manufacturer like LG, SE, or even Apple would have thought to fit as standard in a million years.

Like it or not, Apple have created the best platform for mobile apps that there's ever been, and that for me makes the iPhone the most powerful smartphone on the market, by far. That slogan - "there's an app for that" - may annoy you, but it's nevertheless true - it's astonishing what you can find in the Appstore now, and add to your phone just as easily. I've been a massive fan of SE smartphones in the past, I championed Symbian long ago, but Apple have just come in and nailed it with one shot, and I don't think SE or Nokia realise even now just how deadly their aim has been.

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Posted: 2009-06-02 18:44:25
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Yes i see your point. But. Despite Apple's success i still dont see them taking over every other manufacturer with one phone. And despite massive sales they have not. The iphone will never be as big as it COULD be cos its not available for mass market and its just too expensive.
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Posted: 2009-06-02 19:51:00
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