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On 2008-11-25 13:08:34, PeterKay wrote:
any idea which settings will work with the C905?


Yes, use the Ipod H264 profile and video codec "x264". It will convert to 320x240 @ 30 fps. I use a video bitrate of 336 kbps and I also use sharpen 5 % and choose to crop 16:9 to 4:3. Gives very nice results.

Using the mpeg4 codec as I used to with my K800 I got files that just would not play on the C905.


Also this:

Posted: 11:59 Nov 09 2008 Just be careful when using M3 for C905. All my movies for K800 are unplayable by C905. With M3 use h264 for video and not mpeg4, that will work. Other converters, such as Super, yield playable videos with mpeg4 codec though. I have also observed pretty bad picture lagging on many of my converted movies when using C905, while some of them play fine.

Posted: 15:11 Nov 09 2008 The MPEG4 standard defines 21 profiles of which C905 only supports the Simple Profile. Likewise, the standrad for H.264 defines around 14 profiles of which C905 only supports the Baseline profile. When converting videos into MPEG4 or H.264 ensure your tool is configured to use a correct profile. Beside profiles one also needs to consider what "level" of the standard C905 supports. For H.264, the standard defines 16 levels for each profile. Each level describes things like max bit rate. I have not found any explicit info about this for C905, but with what I know C905 should be capable of supporting level 1.2, which corresponds to 384 kBit/s. If you use MPEG4 rather than H.264, then level 3 should be used. In the above, I'm not sure if C905 supports levels below those stated. One would think it should, but considering Hansen failed to play videos made for K800, who knows. FYI: K800 seems to support MPEG4 Simple Profile Level 0 and H.264 Baseline Profile Level 1b (128 kBit/s). It should be noted that H.264 is actually part of the MPEG4 standard. When refereing to MPEG4, this usually implies part 2 of the standard and when refereing to H.264, this usually implies part 10 of same standrad. That's all info I have found. [ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2008-11-09 15:48 ]


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Posted: 2009-07-31 01:43:34
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I guess this is my last chance to add a reply until tomorrow...
but I wanted to clarify that the previous reply where I quote the guy writing:

On 2008-11-25 13:08:34, PeterKay wrote:
any idea which settings will work with the C905?

I have to add that he's talking about the M3 settings here.


Looks like choosing 'Ipod' from the phone model drop down, and 'x264' (instead of mpeg4?) in some other drop down - prolly in the video menu to get M3 to convert reliably for the C905a.

I might have to leave work early to get this started, M3 can take a while to finish up.

Either way, I'm going to try this on a small file (several ways); put the MP4 output file on my M2 card and take it to the store and try and play it again on the display model.

If the MP4 converted file made with M3 and these new settings plays in the C905, I'm buying the phone the second I see picture and hear sound!

Like I said, some files DID play (I dunno why....cos they were converted from avi maybe?) so there's definitely hope for use of M3 with this device. I have had awful results from *every* other software, and everyone who hasn't tried M3 thinks their software choice is awesome......until I show them what M3 can do!
Just pulled this on the store rep; she told me
"oh yeah, I can convert to MP4, and the quality is great!"
Showed her a CSI: Miami (recorded onto DVD from a regular cable TV broadcast, then converted to MP4 via M3) and she was floored!
"Er........not like that though" she said!

If this device can't play converted MP4 files, then I can't buy it
I love watching converted TV shows/DVDs/avi files on my phone on trips, in bed, while driving etc. (joke)

I read something about the C905a recording video in 20 second chunks or something.....in MP4 format (I'm used to a 3gp video recording with unlimited length).
Can anyone confirm the limitation to 20 or 30 second video clips?

I also read that recorded video is supposedly "only good enough for watching on the phone" whatever that means. Hell, 3gp is NOTHING to write home about - MP4 can only be better than what I'm used to, right?!
But, I kinda like choosing how long I record for - not the phone cutting me short. Weird. Also, could have sworn that I read the C905 supports up to 16GB of M2 memory; but now I'm reading 4GB all over the place - bummer if this is true. 16gb would be awesome - for movie and photo storage!

It's a step up from my W580i (which isn't too shabby either).

Anyone know if I can still use Opera Mini for web browsing on the C905? Or will it clash with some pre-loaded 'browser'? I really don't want mini-browsers or other stuff overcomplicating matters; I'm happy with my java Opera Mini set up. And all games are instantly removed by me when I get that phone home. Unless there's a decent chess game or something.

Thanks again guys, sorry for the lengthy comment!

Tom
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Posted: 2009-07-31 02:29:47
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TomLogan-my c905 records video in mp4,unlimited length or short clips when set for mms only.you should try cowon media for converting to mp4,works flawlessly on my c905(mp4,320 x 240,video 384kbps,audio 48kbps)
http://www.4shared.com/networ[....]a=atleast&sizevalue=10&start=0
my c905 uses a 8gb m2 and should be ok with 16gb,opera is ok and it comes pre-installed with kasparov chess.
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Posted: 2009-07-31 08:49:21
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Wow! Thanks for all that info er, Bonnie is it? And for the link, but I get a list of jetaudio programs when I click. Which one do you recommend? And, by 'flawlessley' do you mean DVD quality or better than 3gp quality? Have you seen an mp4 converted by M3? Its a beautiful thing! Crystal clear picture -in part cos of screen size, but just crystal clear picture on a W580i! I need to take this experience to the c905. Its the best se available via a carrier ever released. Again, many thanks for the help. Tom Logan
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Posted: 2009-07-31 11:08:39
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try to get jet audio 7.
p.m. me yor email address and i will send you a sample encoded with cowon/jet audio to compare with ones you have done with m3.
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Posted: 2009-07-31 12:32:06
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Pm sent. Sorry I referred to you as Bonnie! Update: made mp4s in M3 with IPod settings. The files wont play in my W580i- a good sign maybe. Will test at the store on the display model soon. But I havent been able to get M3 to convert from a DVD; is jetaudio capable of doing this? Is it free? Awaiting your demo, Tom
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Posted: 2009-07-31 21:17:57
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If the software you use is super consistent, I'd consider downloading. Its not M3 quality though, noticeably more jagged and with rasterization in those true black areas. Is the clip from a DVD? I get better results with tv recordings using M3. The results are way more HD/DVD looking, smooth and vivid. I'm getting great results with avi files on M3, but often a complete fail too- I mean no output file av all- after 5 secs or 3 hrs- its very frustrating. I'm playing around with format factory as an alternative now, got a great result with a full length movie using the settings for ipod, but I must have set something incorrectly, since that mp4 doesnt fill the screen so well. I then upgraded f factory and there are way more device choices: c908, xperia, p1 all in one group, others for 'generic mp4', 'ipod, A-something/ BASIC/sony phone' is what I'm going with next. Is jetaudio set up in groups of devices? If so, whats the c905 grouped with-phone or not? Because I think converting to the right *kind* of mp4 is the key- it has to be the 'ipod type' of mp4 it seems, and jetaudio is doing it right. What options for device are you given? Right now, I'm using DVD fab platinum on a full length movie direct from a disc to mp4; which worked really well with a short DVD earlier. Since I can convert a DVD to avi pretty readily using winavi converter, I'm not too worried about those transfers. A reliable avi to mp4 converter seems to be my requirement. Some pc clean up can work wonders for M3...sometimes! And i'll see how format factory pans out. If both those fail, I'll use your method. Its not bad at all. Thanks for your help. Tom.
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Posted: 2009-08-02 12:02:52
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Now I'm having all kinds of problems. Reinstalled m3, updated format factory (which, as said, is super updated-looking with all kinds of models listed) but no luck. I think there's some DivX clashing between the various programs going on or something . Well, I've been playing with DVD to mp4 conversion with DVDfab platinum and discovered something very interesting: if one makes an m4v file under 'ipod' (which the phone wont play) and then manually changes the file extension from .m4v to .mp4 IT WILL PLAY in the C905! I am amazed at this- simply changing the file 'type' makes this not-so-smart phone realize that it can play your file!
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Posted: 2009-08-04 09:41:40
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