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On 2009-10-25 02:13:47, alexlt wrote:
My thoughts exactly:
Extracted from
Samsung M8910 Pixon12 review from GSMArena:
Monitoring the user feedback of our two Pixon12 previews we noticed an interesting trend among the active photo critics on the web - somehow it became very fashionable to claim that the megapixel count is hardly that of an advantage. You know - that it's all about the quality of lens and stuff. While this is undoubtedly true in theory and in practice with some dedicated digital cameras, it is not quite so with the cameraphones.
The truth is that more than often manufacturers purchase in bulk the entire camera modules, including the lens, the sensor and some of the processing hardware. Then, all they do is tune the output by tweaking the processing settings.
That's the reason why the 12MP camera modules come with higher quality lens than the 8MP ones, which in turn most of the time outdo the 5MP modules and so on. Having tested our fair share of cameraphones we can safely conclude that it is extremely rare for a lower-resolution cameraphone to produce better photos quality than a higher-res one. So, in fact the megapixels mean something. Well, maybe not as much as the marketing tries to convince us but they do have an impact.
But the improved quality isnt down to the megapixels.. its down to the improved sensor. You say "higher quality lenses" than 8/5/3 mp sensor, people confuse the sensors on DSLR and camera-phones, the sensor in phones is much much smaller, so in order to have more mp the sensor has to be packed densly with megapixels.. this isnt quality this is just reducing the phones ability to recieve lighting, decresing performance and over heating decresing low light performance, they are just ignoring advice and delivering to the mass market who believe that the more megapixels the better the quality even on a tiny screen, but thats complete nonsense
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Posted: 2009-10-25 02:29:51
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@mriley: Me?? I didn't write anything
I agree completly with the useless megapixel race, but in my litlle and limited experience with digital camera and cameraphones, I agree with GSMArena when they say the more megapixeles the phone cameras have, the more quality they produce, as Satio and Pixon 12 outperform any other 8Mp phones
I'm sure it has nothing to do with megapixeles, but with lenses, better sensors and software enhacements developed. So everytime a phone company increases megapixeles, they don't do just that, they increase overall quality ...
And I'm regular consumer and amateur photographer, so I don't really need a DSLR camera, just one which can take good pics in most enviroments, without too much tuning for settings. I certainly don't buy a cameraphone just for the megapixel count, but I do if it has good quality (which in cameraphone terms means it's comparable to medium digital cameras). I do rather see optical zoom, HD video recording and more powerful xenon and LED flashes, but as I see it these features will be in future camera phones sooner rather than later, which is good for all us techies
Cheers
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Posted: 2009-10-25 02:56:16
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On 2009-10-24 23:07:49, mriley wrote:
...My advice... is... to view sample pictures taken by the phone which havent been taken by phone companies to advertise their product...
I agreed with everything up until you said this.
Professional photographers know how to get the best out of the limited spec of a camphone and as such provide a better benchmark than
the N95 owner who uploaded a picture of his big toe to Esato.
[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2009-10-25 02:07 ]
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Posted: 2009-10-25 03:03:12
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but the phone comapanies will show u the best of the photos with the best conditions and wont show u its weaknesses, such as in satio low light, they are selling the product, they are biast
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Posted: 2009-10-25 14:01:52
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Your average consumer would not have the critical eye some others do like professionals. They wont notice anything bad in a photo when viewed on a pc. Thats why the average consumer will buy will believe it. They dont have the same eye for detail some of us have.
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Posted: 2009-10-25 14:41:00
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My point exactly. A lot of amateur photographers can't tell the difference between a badly composed shot that exposes the weaknesses inherent in all cameras and an actual limitation in the camphone.
I was down at the beach recently and volunteered to take a photo for some British tourists. I used the 'rule of thirds' to compose the shot and they marvelled at how much better it was than their feeble attempts. The skill of the photographer is always more important than the hardware or software.
[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2009-10-27 11:18 ]
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Posted: 2009-10-26 16:57:43
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I agree! Why?! It's not because of the image size that matters. It's the quality. My K700i's camera's great when outdoors (except when the sun is around), but if it is dark, it sucks (sorry, my best friend)!
Do you know what?! I've impressed on Nokia 6820's camera. It is only sized CIF (352 x 288 pixels). In the mobile phone, the picture looked like awful. But when I moved it into a PC, it was as perfect as a photographer's shot.
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Posted: 2009-10-26 17:51:51
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On 2009-10-25 01:44:07, mriley wrote:
exactly, more densely packed pixels on a sensor chip means more heat, which can introduce speckles into low-light shots, this is certainly the case here where 'less is more' in term of image quality. phone companys are just cramming too many high tech sensors into one tiny mobile, they need to find a good balance.
Personally i dont find the iphone/satio appealing. too big , phones are meant to be small and sleek but these are just big chunky and fat
[ This Message was edited by: mriley on 2009-10-25 00:45 ]
So your saying more megapixels in a camera phone can reduce picture quality?
What if I put my W995 on 5mp mode?
or is the W995 not relevent? haha
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Posted: 2009-10-26 18:29:09
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yeah, this shows how important it is to compare pictures on the web
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Posted: 2009-10-26 19:49:00
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On 2009-10-26 18:29:09, spiid wrote:
On 2009-10-25 01:44:07, mriley wrote:
exactly, more densely packed pixels on a sensor chip means more heat, which can introduce speckles into low-light shots, this is certainly the case here where 'less is more' in term of image quality. phone companys are just cramming too many high tech sensors into one tiny mobile, they need to find a good balance.
Personally i dont find the iphone/satio appealing. too big , phones are meant to be small and sleek but these are just big chunky and fat
[ This Message was edited by: mriley on 2009-10-25 00:45 ]
So your saying more megapixels in a camera phone can reduce picture quality?
What if I put my W995 on 5mp mode?
or is the W995 not relevent? haha
Up to a point, yes because the sensor is small , so more cramming of mp's mean less light intake. lol and there have been having reviews saying that the w995 camera isnt very good anyway xD , you can look at post pictures yourself
But its meant to be very good value for money
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Posted: 2009-10-26 19:52:39
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