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On 2010-11-09 00:18:53, Tsepz_GP wrote:
are you sure of that Etaab?..
etc... vs. Nokia, lets get real here.
You see, you are clearly missing the obvious. What false_morel said is all very true, Symbian has a much brighter future ahead of it at the moment. But think of it in basic terms.
Nokia are by far the worlds most popular mobile phone manufacturer. They make more mobile phones than anyone else. Nokia are very good at flooding the market with many different handsets all running the same none-smartphone interface or Symbian. You're forgetting Nokia is also a brand name and a name known for making good quality handsets.
Now compare Nokia to the companies you mentioned. SE - myself along with many other Esato forum members and people i talk to in the street would never buy a SE phone again. Motorola - always poor in quality with terrible hardware imo. Acer & Dell - they're not the first name you think of when buying a mobile phone. HTC - nice specs, but poor quality hardware much of the time especially the cameras. Lastly, Samsung & LG, again the same story, LG is only popular in some markets, whilst Samsung is popular but limited by their own silly input with Android with Touchwhiz. People who buy Samsung or LG phones tend not to care about the OS.
So basically you've got a whole bunch of good, average, or pretty mediocre mobile phone manufacturers all supporting Android which also carry a high pricetag. Anyone who likes a good quality phone with a high spec camera or other killer hardware features dont really have much choice. Thats why they end up sticking with Nokia just like me. Nokia have every corner of the market covered from budget phones to top spec flagships. Which other Android manufacturer can do that ?
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2010-11-09 22:44 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-09 23:43:09
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Lol, you're missing an important point, Symbian has been losing share, so has Nokia in places like India where the Chinese handsets are beginning to flood the low end market, if im not mistaken India is their biggest market,no?
Samsung and HTC have made major growth,guess it was convenient for you to just ignore that. Samsung are catching up to Nokia rapidly, and if im not mistaken Android has what? 25% marketshare whilest Symbian has 33% as of Q3, Android managed to growth of 1309% in just 2years, lets not forget Samsung and HTC have huge amounts of network support in the USA who are one of if not the largest smartphone market.
Htc Desire, Galaxy-S, X10, X10mini and Htc Wildfire managed to be the in the top10 most popular in the UK smartphones as well, with only the lowly Nokia X6 16gb being the only Symbian. Android is going to continue to eat away at Symbians share, you are only fooling yourself by denying that. Despite Nokia churning out supercheap S60s like the 5530, 5230, 5800, X6 8gb, 532 xm, 5630xm, E63 etc...they continue to lose share in smartphones to the more expensive Androids, seems people are prepared to pay a little extra to get a great UI, app support, excellent browsing experience etc... Pushing out multiple cheap handsets is clearly not helping Nokia much as they have already been doing it for the past 2years.
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Posted: 2010-11-10 00:18:18
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Symbian went from 38% or so in Q3 '09 to 33% '10 despite a flood of cheap S60s, and heres an interesting article:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/01/canalys_smartphone_stats/ Android is the one with a bright future here, even the US Military are now using it:
http://www.androidguys.com/20[....]l-forces-android-killer-combo/ and its now becoming popular with educational institutes to:
http://www.androidguys.com/20[....]d-releases-native-android-app/ this is mainly in the US for now, but as we've seen with other apps it all soon spreads to other regions. Symbian has been around for over 5years and yet nothing like this is happening to it despite being the dominate OS,the fact that many who own Symbians dont even know the own a "smart"phone doesnt help it much either.
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Posted: 2010-11-10 01:03:28
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You're clearly very loyal to Android so again i wont start a massive debate about it. Im not fooling myself, i simply look at every OS out there and not reserve my good opinions for only one and discredit the rest.
All im prepared to say is the future is pretty exciting for people like me who're into mobile phones to an almost geek level. Im looking forward to next years releases. Im still hoping Apple sort out the iPhone 5 so its actually a usable smartphone.
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Posted: 2010-11-11 21:30:11
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Exactly the type of reply i was expecting from someone who cant swallow the facts, so you turn around accuse me of being loyal to Android
Excuse me for being realistic and having the back-up.
I'm looking forward to what's coming in all platforms, paticularly WebOS as that remains the one OS i think would take off if it just had the right type of marketing and devices to run on.
By the way etaab,this seems to be your general way of dealing with people here once the arguement is not going your way, you then claim to love all OS and accuse the other of being loyal or a fanboy.
On 2010-11-08 23:44:53, etaab wrote:
Android's current market percentage is tiny compared to Symbian.
Err..no:
http://www.androidguys.com/20[....]sing-symbian-world-domination/ Android went from being 41% behind Symbian in Q3 2009 to being just 11% behind Symbian in Q3 2010, that's quite a leap considering Nokia in that space of time flooded the market with cheap S60s like the 5230/5233, 5800-NavEdition, N97-Mini, all the X6 variants, E5, C6 etc... yet despite all that, Androids, which sell at higher price points and are still not as widely available as S60s still managed to make a 30% leap, and Symbian dropped by 8% in this same space of time, like i said, let's get real here.
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2010-11-11 22:55 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-11 22:37:38
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Tsepz_GP,
you probably can't discuss teh two operating systems on the technical level, as you totally ignored this aspect, so lets leave this out at the moment..
Symbian is awaiting some major upgrades starting January next year that could shuffle the whole comparison up anyway..
As to the numbers you're basing you're relying on, only one Symbian^3 phone was released at teh end of Q3, others to follow starting Q4!
S60 Fifth Edition (latest Symbian version before the Symbian^3) based phones were first released two years ago by now!! First was 5800 XpressMusic released on November 27, 2008, while in 2010 only two phones were released: Vivaz and the C6-00! Despite that, Symbian held its spot firmly.
Now, consider the fresh start with Symbian^3, and the new phones flooding as of Q1 2011 and we shall compare those numbers then..
But even before that, just one quarter to go, and we'll have the total numbers for 2010. The year labeled as Android's year and the year Symbian dies in!
We shall see where those two would end up at the end of this transitional year..
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Posted: 2010-11-12 00:55:15
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Sooo what are these new "Symbian"(Artist formerly known as S^3/S^4)" devices that will be flooding the market other than the C6-01, C7, E7, and probable X.x something. There's nobody other than Nokia releasing devices on Symbian (for a good reason) and arguably with the advent of the new Nokia paradigm actually Symbian as a meaningful OS at a user level no longer exists.
There are no devices other than the ARM11 exS^3 devices to come in the next few months and Nokia are stuck trying to patch up the UI until...... or they get a Meego device out (eventually) meanwhile Honeycomb is out..............
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Posted: 2010-11-12 01:48:38
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False morel
Tell me this, does the technical aspect REALY matter to the consumer? You can go on about it as much as you want, but is it realy what the average joe (who are the millions buying these) realy care?
All that talk of the updates is pretty much like the man sitting bedside telling his wife what he's going to do aka all talk, Android is making moves RIGHT NOW, there are a bunch of models e.g. the DesireHD, Galaxy-S replacement, the next Nexus, Motorola Droid 2, HTC G2 etc... all flooding the market, RIGHT NOW, updates coming in RIGHT NOW, Gingerbread is right around the corner etc...its not like Android is just sitting around, in the time its taking the Symbian^3 updates to come , Android will have ALREADY made major updates to an already excellent UI.
Vivaz and C6 werent the only ones released in 2010, the 5233, E5, C5, X6-8GB, X6-16GB, E73 for USA, 6700slide, Vivaz, Vivaz Pro etc... now between Q3 2009 and Q3 2010 (which is what the figures are based on!) There are even more on top of that such as the X6-32gb, 5230, E72, 5800-Navigation Edition etc... ALL were and are much cheaper/less expensive than some of the best selling Androids such as the Galaxy-S which has ALREADY managed 3million units JUST IN THE USA , now consider the many more mid-end Androids coming in now.
i respect your optimisim guys but Android is quickly catching up no matter which way you try to twist it.
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2010-11-12 01:16 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-12 02:01:54
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On 2010-11-12 01:48:38, snoFlake wrote:
Sooo what are these new "Symbian"(Artist formerly known as S^3/S^4)" devices that will be flooding the market other than the C6-01, C7, E7,
Those three are supposed to be released soon in this quarter.. There are two models still running on older versions of Symbian to be released as well! I'm not sure about that though..
Now, as for the next year, starting Q1, Nokia claimed they'll flood the market with all new Symbian phones and not me claiming..
Anyway, if so, those would be announced soon.. But Q1 is three months you know, it's not that up from 01.01 some four more new models will be released..
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@ Tsepz_GP
I'm not twisting nor denying facts here!
I already said that both Android and Symbian are the leading OSs right now, and both have the potential to top the competition.
Now the ones saying Symbian is dying or vanishing, and only the ignorant still picking Symbian phones or give similar exaggerated claims are the ones twisting some facts..
At the mean time, I'd pick a Symbian phone from Nokia over an Android any time.. And I'm sure there are many who know about this stuff who would do or doing the same!
There's nothing to discuss really.. Numbers are clear enough.. All factors and aspects are very well recognized..
Let's see how things would uncover in the coming months..
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2010-11-12 03:33 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-12 04:31:08
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you know what cracks me up about all this..... how much credit you all give the average consumer. The problem here in the US (IMO) is that 90% of consumers are SHEEP! We on this forum live, sleep, dream and wake up to cell phones and electronics so the finite details matter to us.... Not so much to the average consumer.
I work in wireless retail here in the U.S. and can't tell you how many times someone comes in to buy a phone that their "friend has" and could care less about my telling them ANYTHING about that or any other device.... they simply want whats "cool"..... not to mention how many people come in and say "I want a droid".... its mind boggling to them when they hear more than just one company/wireless carrier makes "droids".... they TRULY have NO IDEA that "droid" is simply short for Android.
Lets take that one step further... can you image trying to explain Nokia/Symbian to a customer like I have just described... GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
As people get more educated and the gap in number of applications available for the big three (Apple OS, Android and Symbian) shrink you will only have the hardware to compare.... and me personally, Ill put my N8 up against ANY phone on the market today in that respect.
Just my .02
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Posted: 2010-11-12 05:57:06
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