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On 2010-11-27 14:00:50, tranced wrote:
@AbuBasim: remember that the AF capable camphones have the ability to set the focus to in-fi-ni-te. Which is the same in this case to non AF.
But typically with a more narrow DoF. Fixed focus cameras have a wider range. For example my old G700 could focus from about one metre to infinity.
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Posted: 2010-11-27 14:14:36
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i dont think sonyericsson has 5 or 8 mp fixed focus walkmans.
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Posted: 2010-11-27 15:14:11
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I agree with Idumbakumar.
The walkman is a different case. Some walkmans lack AF as they aren't camera-centric devices but didn't you notice that only walkman phones with 3mp/less cameras have no AF! The rest above 5 mp are all equipped with Autofocus because SE's wise enough to know that it's nonsense to have 5mp/more without Af.. Can't you just guys admit that Nokia is wrong on that move! I might be wrong but show me an 8mp cameraphone w/out AF from another manufacturer and I might forgive them for this.
It's very clear that this is a deceitful market strategy. Even gsmarena stated it that it doesn't make sense.
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Posted: 2010-11-27 15:21:53
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@AbuBasim agree there too. The fact is that Nokia should have put an AF camera module. I'm not arguing its other hardware though.
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Posted: 2010-11-27 15:26:00
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It's a bit crazy that it's a big 8 mega pixels & no AF. I was shocked cos the specs of them phones looked promising. The design is nice too. Surely your not going to get 8 meg quality with no focus?? Correct me if I am wrong but does it really cost that much more these days to slap on an AF or even a cheap LED for instance?? Silly mistake Nokia
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This is a photo without auto focus on the x8. Not bad is it really??
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-11-27 16:04 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-27 16:57:38
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On 2010-11-27 15:21:53, Shino03 wrote:
Can't you just guys admit that Nokia is wrong on that move
No, not until the phones which use this new way of focusing are released and put through their paces. Nobody can.
Remember, the N8 is Nokia's own camera centric device, the rest simply are not which is why it lacks AF. Its something thats missing from many smartphones. Many !
You can argue that yes those phones arent very high in the megapixel count, but how many times on this very forum have we all seen people say that megapixels dont always mean better image quality ? because it does not. Lets face it there will come a time when phones are released with 12mp cameras by default, even if the camera is quite poor compared to the N8 / Satio / Pixon.
I dont see a problem here until we see samples from the phones in question.
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Posted: 2010-11-27 20:29:12
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geez.. Whats the point?
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Posted: 2010-11-27 21:05:49
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Here's an article from ASS explaining all about this EDoF implemented by Nokia in their low to mid-range phone, with listing the cons and pros of such feature over AF..
And here's a quote by Steve Litchfield reviewing the C6-01 camera:
"The Nokia C6-01 comes with the Extended Depth of Field camera, which in Steve's words "makes taking pictures almost foolproof". Well, almost. Nokia's software cannot help with composition of the picture, the available lighting, or shakey hand syndrome when you take the picture.
What it will do is make sure that every part of the picture will be in focus. It does this through using an asymmetrical lens, sampling the three different levels of colour (red, green and blue) on small patches of the picture, doing lots of complicated maths, and getting a sharp image as a result.
Does it make for a less frustrating photo taking experience for someone not used to taking pictures? I think it does. In my case, it means trying to assess light levels and how the picture is framed. There are options to adjust the light sensitivity and exposure in the pop up icon screen, but I'll be honest, leaving it on automatic is good enough for me.
Do I do arty shots that need manipulations of focus to get a depth of field effect? Nope. Nor do I need to do really close up and intricate work with this camera. The C6 sits in my pocket for those quick snap moments, mostly of my family or a nice landscape view while I'm travelling. Given those requirements, a camera that can be pulled out, a long press on the shutter key to open the camera app, then another tap to take the picture, and I'm satisfied.
It's easy to see why point and shoot cameras are being sidelined by the smartphone - the C6 is both a simple camera to use and one that can give 'above average to excellent' shots, depending on circumstances."
Nokia's approach is all clear and justified here!
This cheaper focusing hardware is meant for cheaper low and mid-range phones. It makes sense and it has its pros as well. Users going for such cheaper phones wont be seeking high-end cameraphones. All they need is a fast and simple point and shoot handset.
Consumers who seek a high-end cameraphone should go for the N8. Simple.
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2010-11-28 07:03 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-28 08:02:57
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Those of us that follow Nokia's new features or functions have known about these EDOF cameras for quite some time. They're not something that appeal to me all that much but one thing we have been certain of is that there is a reason Nokia will be using them and not simply because they're ripping customers off. In fact, we may find people might prefer EDOF cameras over other phones with AF cameras.
Hell, i might stick my neck out here and say the EDOF range of phones might just take better and sharper pictures than the X10 !
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Posted: 2010-11-28 14:05:40
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On 2010-11-27 20:29:12, etaab wrote:
On 2010-11-27 15:21:53, Shino03 wrote:
Can't you just guys admit that Nokia is wrong on that move
No, not until the phones which use this new way of focusing are released and put through their paces. Nobody can.
Well, there are apparently reviews now of the C6-01. Aren't those enough?
"Do I do arty shots that need manipulations of focus to get a depth of field effect? Nope. Nor do I need to do really close up and intricate work with this camera. The C6 sits in my pocket for those quick snap moments, mostly of my family or a nice landscape view while I'm travelling. Given those requirements, a camera that can be pulled out, a long press on the shutter key to open the camera app, then another tap to take the picture, and I'm satisfied."
I somehow agree in that case but have you forgotten that those phones are also smartphones especially that high-end E7? I wonder how will barcode readers work? Anyway, I believe that people have different preferences. If you want a phone with that so-called "Extended Depth of Field camera" then fine with me but just want to inform others that they should be aware that when using those phones to make sure to keep a distance of at least 50cm away from the object; That macro shots will be a MIRACLE... Just like to add, in gsmarena's review there is somehow no mention of that feature. It's also clear that the image quality is not as nice as you have expected...
[ This Message was edited by: Shino03 on 2010-11-28 14:14 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-28 15:08:27
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