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Bono, that is not just about fussy taste, this is beginning to sound like a dangerous mental condition here.
Anyway, good luck with the HD.
But you have to explain two points here:
- You complained about the Nexus S' screen and internal temp, yet, HTC are known to produce the worst hardware-quality within the seven major smartphone manufacturers at the mean time!
Not sure about scratch resistance on the Nexus S, but that's the highest rated and most praised screen technology in the market right now!
Other than that, the HD's screen is one of the lowest rated and most bashed LCDs in the market.
You have all the right to avoid a non-resistant scratch screen, but the alternative you went with isn't any better!
As to other hardware issues, HTC are known to make the worst build qualities, worst micros, and worst speakers as well.
Add that funny battery slot to that package, and you blaming Samsung for one hardware issue not everybody is suffering at (I first heard about it from you) doesn't make sense..
- You praised the N8 even more than I did praise for the past two weeks! And you somehow hinted it's a clear choice out of the current competition.
What changed?!
And as you waited weeks for that Desire update, why didn't you wait two to three weeks (mid January) till the N8's update whereas Nokia promised 50 Symbian^3 enhancements including a new browser?!
And then the second quarter to witness another major update including new overall UI as well.
Any further comments from you on these two points would be welcomed.
As obviously, at least me, I can't argue with you regarding all those phones as I simply didn't own them all as you did.
All I can do is share my views based on my knowledge and experience regarding the operating systems, not phones overall though..
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Posted: 2010-12-28 18:35:09
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Yes I know I praised the N8 but then the age old Symbian issue reared it's ugly head again OUT OF MEMORY. And that was only when running Opera. Also the Desire HD has great build except the sim cover other than that it's solid. I would also say

has been known for the worst build quality on the market. In all the time I have had the Desire HD I have not had any hardware issues though yes the speaker is weak but I still sometimes hear it out in a noisy street & vibrate is strong. The screen looks fantastic & yes it's true it is not as vibrant as S-AMOLED but I care not. I have not any marks on the HD screen build is solid. As for the Nexus well,before I sent it back a tiny hair thin mark appeared at the bottom of the screen after one day. Thankfully the store never noticed this but I did. No such occurance has happened on the HTC. The Nexus & the Wave both became so hot whilst using them it worried me. It was far hotter than a normal phone goes & as I said it then shut down. Samsung do make great hardware sometimes but some of their hardware causes me concern. The Samsung Wave over heating issue is on the web it was not just me.
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-12-28 18:11 ]
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Posted: 2010-12-28 18:49:46
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On 2010-12-28 18:35:09, false_morel wrote:
that is not just about fussy taste, this is beginning to sound like a dangerous mental condition here.
+1
@Bonovox Either you're lyk me or i'm lyk you.
M very fastidious about quality. And sadly till now there is no mobile phone in the market for me which is 100% perfect in all aspects. These are the strategies of mobile companies. They never consider persons like me, you (& many others we don't know).
Havn't tried Nexus S, but Galaxy S has not scratch-resistant screen.
Btw i've had no warming(overheating) and shutting down (or restarting) issues with this phone.
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Posted: 2010-12-28 19:16:49
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Well I did it got really hot then kept turning off like the processor went into overdrive

Anyway,yes true I know that no phone will ever be perfect unless we goto the manufacturers in person & pay them money personally to build the perfect phone for us. Fat chance

One thing I will say the Desire HD has never froze,turned itself off or crashed.
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-12-28 18:26 ]
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Posted: 2010-12-28 19:22:18
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On 2010-12-28 18:49:46, Bonovox wrote:
As for the Nexus well,before I sent it back a tiny hair thin mark appeared at the bottom of the screen after one day. Thankfully the store never noticed this but I did.
l0l, same i had with my ex-W995. It got a very thin scratch on left side of screen only after a few days which was hardly noticeable but that was so irritating for me that i had to sent it back...
People say me that this is not normal behaviour and i should neglect such minor things. But that is not possible for a person like me...
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Posted: 2010-12-28 19:29:54
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It is not a mental issue mate. I get pissed off cos you spend money or sign upto a contract & end up with an expensive piece of shit. It's not good enough manufacturers pricing all these phones so high yet they are such a let down in reality.
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Posted: 2010-12-28 19:32:29
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On 2010-12-28 18:49:46, Bonovox wrote:
Yes I know I praised the N8 but then the age old Symbian issue reared it's ugly head again OUT OF MEMORY.
And that was only when running Opera.
This is an Opera problem, not Symbian's!
Symbian used to have this problem, specifically in its latest S60 releases where it reached the peak with the N97 and S60V5!
However, Symbian^3 is all about a new platform with new core, and unless you push it to the extremes where not even a heavy user would need to push that far, you shouldn't witness such a problem.
Opera on the other hand have their own list of problems, and this belongs to that list.
Anyway, Nokia promised some nice browser in a max of three weeks time, you could have waited that little..
Also the Desire HD has great build except the sim cover other than that it's solid. I would also say

has been known for the worst build quality on the market. In all the time I have had the Desire HD I have not had any hardware issues
By build quality, I wasn't referring to type of material the phone made of!
I was hinting to reliablity issues, accidental falls, and hardware degradation by time..
SE may build their products mostly of plastic materials. But those are real solid devices not just feel solid. SE phones aren't prone to drops and other similar unfriendly situations.
Once, as I shot my Satio (unintentionally of course

, it was after I silenced the alarm and rolled over

) from bed where it flew to hit the metallic leg of my desk table then diverted to hit the wall and then fell on ground!
I didn't believe it stayed in one piece, let alone, still functioning all right!!
All it got is a tiny scratch at the side only recognizable if one gets the phone really close to the eyes!
Try simulating that with an HTC phone, and I assure you it will break into pieces! I witnessed a friend's HD2 screen breaking in pieces with less than half that impact of the Satio!
though yes the speaker is weak but I still sometimes hear it out in a noisy street & vibrate is strong. The screen looks fantastic & yes it's true it is not as vibrant as S-AMOLED but I care not. I have not any marks on the HD screen build is solid. As for the Nexus well,before I sent it back a tiny hair thin mark appeared at the bottom of the screen after one day. Thankfully the store never noticed this but I did. No such occurance has happened on the HTC. The Nexus & the Wave both became so hot whilst using them it worried me. It was far hotter than a normal phone goes & as I said it then shut down. Samsung do make great hardware sometimes but some of their hardware causes me concern. The Samsung Wave over heating issue is on the web it was not just me.
As I said, I wish you luck with your new choice phone.
And thanks for your objective feedbacks on those phones.. Everyone is struggling to find objective online reviews nowadays.. And many are fooled by those big media outlets..
Everyone could also go your way, ordering and sending back to eventually reside on a phone, but not everyone got Bono's patience and "fussy taste" either.

[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2010-12-28 18:40 ]
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Posted: 2010-12-28 19:36:57
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Anyways, Bonovox, I wish you may get your dream phone
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Posted: 2010-12-28 19:42:13
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Yes,well I see your point but a phone that is PRONE TO DROPPING

Is there a type of phone that falls from your hand or jumps like a frog??

I still love

as I have an Aino coming but from past experiences their phones have never been very sturdy in construction. Lots of wobbly & creaky bits. The HTC is only vulnerable due to large screen & that it's quite heavy it would probably hit the round harder. I am sure if

made a solid metal made phone with a huge screen it would be the same damage from a drop. @buntoo thanks I think I have now. But I will also say HTC I have never had any creaky or wobbly bits. Yes the sim cover is crap but it does not fall off or creak
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-12-28 18:45 ]
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Posted: 2010-12-28 19:43:05
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The new Symbian^3 browser will be here in 3weeks???

,i thought it was coming in late Feb? Looking forward to the upcoming Symbian updates, Nokia better have gone all out as 2011 is going to be quite a year in smartphones it seems.
As for build quality ive had the SE W800, W900, W880, K850 and X10, and they had great build quality, i loved the solid block feel of the K850, i'd say my ol' time favs in that area are the K850 and the Nokia N8, both built like tanks.
All manufacturers have their moments though e.g. the SE W850,S500 and its Walkman variant having cracking keypads, Nokia N73 with joysticks falling off, N95 with wobbly slider and flimsy back cover, Samsung U700 and its peeling paint etc... Lately they seem to have improved with the exception of the iPhone.
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Posted: 2010-12-28 20:10:16
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