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I kind of agree with him. Day before yesterday I was having a chat with my friend about Android vs iOS and I did felt that Android is more for the developers than for normal consumers. I personally don't like iPhone because of it's limitations but Android is open. Now what can you do with the open source is the vital question, otherwise it's same as iOS. People root and customize, but there are people who also build custom ROMS and other stuff, which you don't happen to see in iOS. I would not use computer science but I feel it's the best for developers.

As masseur says, Siri isn't new, there has been third party applications on Android too. If you are from States, you will be able to use it like a charm as it pick up US accent pretty well but international can have a hard time using voice commands. And ya, Microsoft had it long time back.

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If Samsung, HTC, Motorola and Sony Ericsson had done marketing like Apple, I'm sure Apple would be no where.
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Posted: 2011-10-21 03:48:14
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Should we take his words seriously, i think we should be proud, as this means every android user knows computer science and WP7 users were amateurs?
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Posted: 2011-10-21 10:58:45
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He is no Bill, no Steve or Paul (Allen)

he is just a man in a suit....

he can claim he get the ergonomics done way better than Android or iOS but the sales figure kinda self explain even he continue to trumpet how great WP7 is.

For me, I am sick and tired of listening to Microsoft claim on their future OS ....they promise about fast boot up on PC so many years ago and only now we see a hope on Windows 8.
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Posted: 2011-10-21 11:08:08
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@ Masseur, totally agree. The Siri concept is not new, been around for a while. However you have to hand it to Apple for making it more "usable"? And the part about Android being for Computer Scientists??? I don't think that should be dignified with a response! Steve needs to focus on making Windows Phone the great platform that Windows Mobile was in the early days and not go after the two biggest mobile phone OSs
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Posted: 2011-10-21 15:21:32
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I guess everyones entitled to there opinions
im abit curious of this new Windows Mobile 8 format arriving though

so hmm those comments are they concluding something
I mean have Microsoft got the next big thing coming

btw I disagree about iPhones being expensive there not
its just that EU and the UK have to cough up for them
if you look at the costs of them over in America where they originate
for example they cost less

Scientistically Android lol mental!
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Posted: 2011-10-22 03:49:27
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I forgot t mention that Balmer made Windows 8 an OS for toddlers, seriously who wants an oversized icons/fonts on their 23-30" LCD screen? it may become successful for tablets, on desktops/laptops its a like the vista fiasco repeated itself. i expect windows 7 to be a repeated XP as well

if only android and ubuntu can unite as one and make the same quality apps we see on windows desktops, i'll happily dump any MS products with no hesitation, but until that happens i'll be stuck with MS as much as i hated that Bald-mer.

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Posted: 2011-10-22 07:35:23
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Why not quote Google themselves in that Unpacked event revealing ICS..
Here's what Matias Duarte had to say about Android's state:

We asked ourselves for the first time what is the soul of Android?
And to answer that question we went and talked to the people who use all different devices and kind of devices.
We found out mobile technology is completely essential to people's lives.

But we also found out that people like Android and people need Android, but they didn't love Android!
People know that Android is powerful, but sometimes they felt really frustrated when they couldn't figure out how they get at that power!!

So we saw this is an opportunity. We set out our goal to define how we want people to talk about Android!
And we created three design principles that will guide every process we make in building the product: Enchant me. Simplify my life. Make me awesome. (At this part, I had only to ROFL! Like really?!!)

These are all aspirational goals. And with ICS we are only taking the very first steps.

Then he goes on presenting Roboto, Android's completely new typeface, and then continues to say:

With that solid typographic foundation, we then set out for Android's a total make-over.
We wanted a break of the past. No more of that UI that pretends to be something it's not. Fake world and fake brushed metal and plastic.. But we didn't want something intellectual and sterile where everything looks the same either! We wanted something relevant, emotional, and we looked at the latest trends in graphic design to inspire us. Television motion graphics, web design, and print.
And we started at looking at every screen and thinking of it as a magazine layout. Not lists of text and icons where everything looks the same, but big bold pictures and giant headlines that just suck you right into the content.
We wanted simple typographic layouts with plenty of white space eliminating lines and boxes and a lot of unnecessary decorations. And we wanted to view everything with subtle animation and delightful *** to make Android really come to life..
So, let's see it in action..

Here's the whole presentation.. Forward to 19:40 and start watching..

*** Didn't get this word!

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So there you go Android fans.. What Balmer said was just a figure of speech! Of course not all those millions Android users are computer scientists by their vast majority.. But not all of them are satisfied with their devices!

Fragmentation, total mess with features implemented more than once in the same UI, lack of hardware acceleration leading to lags and screen flickering even in the high-end devices, ugliest and most complex UI in the market despite all those third-party launchers and manufactures' custom UIs.. Rushed not fully baked features..

While Android offered the best functionality among the new OSes, it lacked much in UX department!! Be it performance or simplicity and aesthetics..

That's why Symbian power users didn't switch to Android until the GSII showed up.. Which still lacks much in terms of UX but at least introduced a consistent performance and highly converged approach..

What Matias described above talking about the new design patterns is nothing but what MS introduced with the Metro UI and the live tiles! It's about one seamless UX..
If one takes a closer look, Android has got rid of a lot of chrome, and all of a sudden info is popping out in the form of tiles and dynamic animations..
Also for instance the Contacts app evolving into People App and becoming more social, resembling the People hub in WP.. As well as that inner Me section in that app, also resembling the Me hub in WP.. The need to access the camera app instantly... Color scheme.. Android's Market new UI before that.. Roboto typeset..

Anyway, with ICS, Android became at the moment the best solution for both power users and casual users alike..
However, for those Android users, you could stop now blabbering about WP's UI and live tiles as your own beloved Google shut you up!

W.r.t. WP, OS-wise, in terms of UX, to me it tops everything in the market! Nothing matches the Metro UI and live tiles experience! Also in terms of functionality, it's on par with the other two.. Android may offer a bit more built-in features, but the w.r.t. to the common features, WP implements them in the best way.

However, WP's problem is third-party support! Major apps are almost all there.. But devs still need update their apps to full live tile support and Mango optimisation.. Like multi-tasking for instance.. Won't take much time..
And there is a lack of apps and games in general compared to the other app stores! As well as lack of dual-core support which just got really supported by ISS and iOS 5 btw.. MS will paying the price for being to the party with WP.. But they're pretty good at leapfrogging...

So, I'm ready to wait this little time. Nokia alone on board with their supreme hardware, specially cameras, are worth the wait! Also the seamless UX one enjoys.. And of course the complete integration of all MS services which to me is a huge factor!

I'm really looking forward to 2012.. Although I'm on WP's side, I'd really like one fierce competition with equal market shares between Android and WP for the time to come... Simply because the only winners would be us, the end consumers..

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Posted: 2011-10-22 10:05:59
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Errm...actualy, the majority of UI enhancements in ICS come from Honeycomb, a UI that was being developed even before WP was released.

The camera being accessed instantly is something taken from HTC and Samsung who have had this in their Android UIs for a while, Roboto typeset -Honeycomb again, new Android Market uses squares and rectangles so its now a copy of Metro UI? Its only its main screen that even looks like that, once you actualy get into it looks like a mini version of the HC Market.

The only part that may have come from WP is the People App, the rest is either due to the merge with Honeycomb, manufacturers AND the fact that the Google Android team are working with the custom ROM devs of CyanogenMOD, who have had many of these UI enhancements before we even saw WP, Google and many of the OEMs have kept an eye on the mod community and taken what seems to be important from it.
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Posted: 2011-10-22 10:38:11
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i find this quite funny, when the first 1Ghz Android phone was released (almost) 2 years ago, armed with 512MB RAM we can't see any Symbian phone with that horsepower, and Nokia smartphones were stucked with 600Mhz with no hardware acceleration, plus most nokia symbian phones have 128MB RAM, also worth mentioning that most of Symbian's native browser (especially those made by nokia) can't compete with Froyo's browser which runs Full flash, SE made huge strides by utilizing powerful HW with Satio and Vivaz with Satio (having a camera resolution still unseen on most android phones if we don't count Sharp and Toshiba's Japanese phones) which where the only phones that can view proper flash videos at that time (Nokia was using Flash Lite if i'm not mistaken). there had been so many powerful Android smartphones and all of them outperforms and outsmarts even the best S60 5th edition phone at that time. when Symbian 3 arrived Nokia started realizing the potential of HW acceleration in future device (Ironcal since they already used this on N93-N82 but dropped on N96) and but that time they were still trailing in RAM capacity (256 MB). I don't think Symbian power users are that dumb to think that Android never had the "power" they needed even before GSII arrived. also Symbian 1 (S60 5th) and 3 were generally regarded as the worst platform in terms of "UX" (User experience)

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Posted: 2011-10-22 11:05:39
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Symbian lost a whole lot of users to Android even before the GSII, at this time last year Symbian still had around 35% share that was quickly being eaten up by Android and i kept saying it will pass Symbian this year or next, i actualy remember we had a thread around here where i was told by Symbian fans that Symbian would come back in 2011 with a flood of Symbian3 phones and that Android wouldn't topple it, fast forward to today and Android recently hit 50% share and Symbian is at around 22%, the HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy S, SE X10 and the Minis, DesireHD, and other models from mainly these 3 manufacturers helped do that, the original Galaxy S alone sold over 20million units.
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Posted: 2011-10-22 11:32:56
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