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of course

after 30 years+ as a developer I was saying just the other day in another topic that there will always be bugs in software and that is unavoidable no matter how much you spend on test effort. In fact, it is this fact that keeps me working as an... um... developer

now there is real irony
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Posted: 2011-11-10 22:41:02
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Do you work on security within your developer skills??
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Posted: 2011-11-10 22:51:13
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not specifically, there are specialists for that.

Its assumed that any o/s I work with in providing user apps also provides neccessary security.

If I do get involved in apps that cross firewall boundaries then of course such apps go through more stringent testing via people who can better test such apps. this is a commercial reality in any business but the nature of software development is that not every test case can be conceived and/or tested
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Posted: 2011-11-10 23:00:41
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Be interesting to know how the developing is done. Never known anything about it.
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Posted: 2011-11-10 23:02:38
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thats a very long story, indeed never ending.

I myself have developed software for around 35 years since the first Tandy TRS-80 and Commodore PET.
I hold ISEB qualification at advanced testing level and PRINCE2 project management and yet I still get tripped over by software that has bugs... as a realist this shows me both the limitations of qualifications and also real life software development life cycle experience.

if you ever have kids you will also realise that no matter how many books you read or how many people who have had kids that you talk to, the experience you have is never the same and you still have lots to learn

say no more...
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Posted: 2011-11-10 23:08:21
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Wow Tandy made me think of Tandy stores then!! Not going to have kids am 40 in January but I know what you mean.
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Posted: 2011-11-10 23:11:05
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In all fairness, this is (or was) the first time Apple's codesigning security on the iPhone has been breached since 2007 (or at least 2008 when the AppStore launched) so it's not exactly a fast-paced game of cat and mouse game we're playing here!
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Posted: 2011-11-10 23:18:27
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First time? I guess you are right, but we do not know that. Just like your local bank, Apple would not go public about any security breaches they might have had.
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Posted: 2011-11-10 23:28:27
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Perhaps not, but any user that encountered them and/or suffered loss surely would. There simply haven't been any such cases on the iOS platform, it hasn't happened, as much as any number of security consultants and antivirus vendors would love to claim otherwise!

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Posted: 2011-11-10 23:35:37
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Programming anything is a complicated business which sadly is lost on most of us here in the UK, something highlighted by a high ranking member of Google a few weeks ago when he mentioned how we're so limiting our potential by not teaching computer sciences at school level by default.

But then, because of that fact we dont end up with 15 year olds breaking into the FBI or programming malicious software to destroy rival gaming servers. I found that out the hard way years ago when playing a pc game online, i annoyed some rivals who didnt like the fact i was better than them and so hacked the entire gaming network.

So being in the know at a developer level like this guy can be used for good or evil. Again i think Apple could have been a bit more grateful rather than complete disgust.
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Posted: 2011-11-10 23:47:37
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