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I love Windows phone 8 and Nokia. But.
Nokia’s hardware would have run beautifully with the Android ecosystem. They would have been competing with Samsung and HTC on their hardware and design strengths instead of competing with them on the ecosystem front, where they are extremely weak. There are enough Nokia fans out there who will go back to buying a Nokia phone. Make a few Android phones, dammit! You folks at Nokia can be at par with Samsung once buyers get over the blunders of the past two years seeing a few sweet looking Lumias sporting the little green robot.
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Posted: 2013-03-10 03:47:00
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I'd say Nokia are in big trouble. That disclosure statement shows there's only 17 things that can go wrong with Nokia's strategy. I'd be starting work on several Android models RIGHT NOW but I bet the signed agreement prevents that.
If Windows Phone fails then Microsoft will have to either give up on mobile or build their own devices. Customers will likely base their confidence in Microsoft's phones on the success of the Surface tablets. I'm not convinced the Surface is really making waves. Firstly the RT has a reputation of being irrelevant and limited. Second the devices don't seem to have enough memory left after the OS requirements, especially when you consider the advertised memory size. Third, they are expensive for the privilege of having to learn a new OS and deal with missing functionality.
Microsoft needs Nokia to succeed with Windows Phone. Failure could eventually take down Microsoft if customer acceptance of Microsoft's software and services doesn't reach the perceived requirements to create the critical mass which has powered Microsoft's success of the past.
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Posted: 2013-03-19 13:28:54
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On 2013-03-10 03:26:32, Hardened wrote:
On 2013-03-09 13:20:53, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Nokia are not some small company you dictate to, they are the sort of company you work with as an equal partner, they have a lot to give.
Nokia is no longer the 500lb guerilla it once was in the cellular industry ... in fact their more the 5/50lb monkey:
Selling 3 headquarters in Helsinki, another 2 globally. Laying off 5000 staff with another 2000 shortly (this has been recently delayed), and now this financial F-20 report! This is NOT good news and more a warning that just standard simply stating lower expected revenue/sales for the upcoming quarter.
Comparing Nokia vs BlackBerry (on Bloomberg US)
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/NOK:US
30 Day Average Volume
46,280,088
Est. EPS (EUR) (12/2013) 0.0400
Market Cap (M USD)
13,781.44
Shares Outstanding (M) 3,744.96
Last Dividend 05/06/2013
5 Year Dividend Growth -12.67%
Next Earnings Announcement 04/18/2013
1-Yr Rtn: -21.44%
52wk Range: 1.6300 - 5.5700
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/BBRY:US
30 Day Average Volume
67,972,960 (looks more volatile; currently is as emotions/perceptions r all over the map)
Est. EPS (USD) (02/2013) (doesn't include Z10 or current supplychain overhaul until 3/28/2013)
Market Cap (M USD)
6,845.53 (just half of what Nokia has, if equal EPS and a dividend may have been offered).
Shares Outstanding (M) 524.16
Last Dividend (blank)
5 Year Dividend Growth (blank)
Next Earnings Announcement 03/28/2013
1-Yr Rtn:
-3.83% (and the news is hating on BB more than Nokia?!! Appalling with this alone; BB is delivering!)
52wk Range:
6.2200 - 18.3200
RIM has no ... absolutely NO debt (not in financing loans or anything else), and has a better proposition at a new business - Machine-2-Machine Business and its a virtical business a new frontier.
I've personally always said that I believe Rim/Blackberry have a better chance of survival, there was a topic about it around here somewhere, and you have certainly confirmed my thoughts with the above, but I had no idea Nokia were in that sort of bad hole, they are literally in a shithouse full of debt by the looks of things, one has to wonder what Elop and the rest of the board are doing to stop this, it's beginning to look like Elop is making the ship sink faster.
I'm not even bothered about BB, they seem to have a solid thing going with BB10, I read that an unknown client has ordered around 1million Z10s, so already that means the Z10 in it's short amount of time in the market has probably already almost caught up with the Nokia Lumia920 sales.
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Posted: 2013-03-19 14:03:55
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MS Surface has so far 1.5 million sales which is a drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the tablet world
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Posted: 2013-03-19 15:11:00
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