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Ericsson was forced into the JV because of a fire in a factory that nearly bankrupted them. t68 and later t610 were Ericsson phones and they helped SE become successful. It went downhill with hideki komiyama as CEO and they lost all innovation.

What most people don't understand is that SE has been a Sony run company since 2007 when Ericsson took the back seat. Bert Nordberg came in to "clean up" the company so Ericsson could sell it to Sony. He also brought many good things like an openness towards developers (xda, open bootloaders, etc). I have heard many SE engineers complain about the japanese management and how unwilling they were to share technology etc (I read somewhere that it was common for the different departments in Sony to fight each other).

I'm so sick and tired of people who try to blame Ericsson for the SE's failure. Sony was a shitty company until recently when Kaz hirai became CEO. They dragged SE down with all their proprietary stuff like memorycards and their own data-connections, refused to share technology, locked their devices down.

Sony today is a much better company compared to a couple of years ago and that is why they are doing better in the mobile space. Don't blame Ericsson, Sony today it is basically the same company as SE, only a different name.
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Posted: 2013-03-19 20:36:11
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I might add that having used the Nexus 4 and a recent Samsung (not a galaxy) I don't get the attacks on the Sony software. Sony puts a very mild skin on vanilla android, and in my view makes it both easier and better, I couldn't stand the vanilla android on the nexus.
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Posted: 2013-03-19 20:45:41
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I totally agree. Been an fan since my GH688/GF788 days. And all the tech that was good in came from

The P-series of came from the Quartz/UIQ prototype of all Sony did was give us baby blue phones, and impose the crappy MemoryStick (::: original platform for the P800 used SD cards).

Up until the Xperia line, all ever dished out was rehashed versions of the Quartz/UIQ and the T68m (aka the T68i under the brand) the P1i being the only mild departure from contributions. (I still think that keyboard was brilliant)

I am a fan of the Xperias. I think that was a good move to revive the company, even if it was slated to become Sony.

For whatever reason, Sony never seemed to put much effort into their mobile division... when they originally had one before the merger... even during the merger... until now.

But one thing has been consistent though.. from to to Sony... their software has always been the issue.

Sony has taken an unofficial route to solve the problem. The FreeXperia program is supported by Sony to develop better custom ROMs for their Xperia line, for those that want the Vanilla Android Experience all without sacrificing the easy user experience of their Sony Xperia UI (my mom has an easier time with the stock UI, so Sony must be doing something right by removing certain features of Android for less tech-savvy people)

Although I don't use the stock Sony Home, I also don't bother with custom ROMs. Apex Launcher is good enough for me until the official JB updates are out.

I'm hopeful for Sony, as they seem to have gotten a good slap in the face to wake up.


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Posted: 2013-03-20 03:26:23
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I have to disagree and say utter bull.

Where is the proof that development for P series was based on SD cards? Back then the Memory Stick had faster data read and write speeds - huge thread here on it some years back, take a search and read, along with larger memory sizes. Recall transFlash, the original name of MicroSD before it was accepted didn't exist then.

Also P series encompass a lot of varying models mist of which are NOT blue.

Sony brought Media experience to the mobile industry which kicked Motorola's 3 attempts using partnership with Apple at bay for years! This experience is the main reason why the 650, we800 and many others where so successful! You guys are knocking Sony yet they brought so much to the game that we enjoyed?? I don't get the bashing.

Ericsson brought mobile expertise especially since they build networks! This partnership was sound yet execution over the years was not done right. Hindsight is 20/20.

The P-Series existed to continue the tradition into smartphones that the R385 did, no? (I may have that model wrong, it should be the Psion model)
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Posted: 2013-03-20 10:42:55
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I have to disagree and say utter bull.

Where is the proof that development for P series was based on SD cards? Back then the Memory Stick had faster data read and write speeds - huge thread here on it some years back, take a search and read, along with larger memory sizes. Recall transFlash, the original name of MicroSD before it was accepted didn't exist then. P800|P900|P910|P990|P1, not to mention the M600/608|W950|960 all used MemoryStick slots & internal memory respectively.

yet which company was responsible for the desgin and which was responsible for the chipset/mobo/baseband of the Xperia X1

Also P series encompass a lot of varying models mist of which are NOT blue.

Sony brought Media experience to the mobile industry which kicked Motorola's 3 attempts using partnership with Apple at bay for years! This experience is the main reason why the K750|W800|W810 and many others where so successful! You guys are knocking Sony yet they brought so much to the game that we enjoyed?? I don't get the bashing.

Ericsson brought mobile expertise especially since they build networks! This partnership was sound yet execution over the years was not done right. Hindsight is 20/20.

The P-Series existed to continue the tradition into smartphones that the R385 did, no? (I may have that model wrong, it should be the Psion model)

EDIT updated phone models as I was mistaken.

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Posted: 2013-03-20 10:51:01
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I don't agree that 's problem has always been the software.

Can you tell me why P800, P900, P910, P990, M600, P1, G700 and G900 all used the same CPU (only the RAM was slightly increased in the last 3 models)? The first one came out in 2003 and the last one in 2008. What were thinking??? Can you deny that Nokia N95 was so successful, mostly because it had a far superior CPU and GPU than the ones used by its competition?

The OS used in their feature phones, which I dare to say was probably the best among all feature phone OSes (most feature rich, most logical and mature UI). Even Nokia's S40 was a joke compared to it) was developed in Sweden by either or former people.

UIQ was also miles ahead of S60 (75% of S60 users did not even know they were using a smartphone), but never became popular enough and it was also developed in Sweden and I don't think Sony has anything to do with it.

P.S.: Steve Jobbs declared that he admires his P800 and its OS (Symbian with UIQ) back in 2003.

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Posted: 2013-03-20 13:57:28
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If you don't believe worlds, just check these





Ericsson offered these in their stunning designed phones (compared to Sony's toy-phone desing) in 2000-2001. I think the concept of making all in one media phones evolved since than. Practically in the first 1-2 years all the SE phones was rebranded Ericsson phones with slight design changes. By the time came the back button, Memory Stick, etc., but all the SE phones was Ericsson in core with Sony's garnish and so evolved forth. Than came the Walkman and Cyber-shot, which very soon burnt out and became just unimportant brandings. For example the K750 without any branding could have represent CS or W, because there was important the philosophy behind the phone, not the label.

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Posted: 2013-03-21 07:47:46
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Ah memories! I had most of those except the Chatboard and MP3 player. I used to have the laser pointer as well
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Posted: 2013-03-21 10:18:44
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In 2005 with K750/W800, was at least a year ahead of competition, a fully all-in-one device, was flying above everyone else. Phones with great cameras, great music players, with a memory card, just amazing. And this is when Sony interfered. Why? Because they were selling Sony pocket cameras, Sony walkmans (at that time with very stupid file-transfer limitations). Moreover Sony was selling content which they didn't want to be easily transfered to memory sticks. I think that Sony just didn't have a good view for what is coming in the future. But from what I know (from Eldar at MR) the real turning point for was when they asked Sony to integrate also PlayStation into their phones. And at that time (~2006/2007) it could have been extremely successful and this finaly made Sony decide to slow SE down. They couldn't accept being better than Sony and also sharing income with Ericsson. Maybe around that time the bosses in Sony decided to try to make the joint-venture fail in order to buy it out later. And you all know what happened after. started releasing same phones with different designs, Nokia started making better cameras, and Apple came to mobile market, and this agony lasted for years (except for great designs and some occasional sparks) until the buyout. Now Sony has full control and they want to make Sony mobile the best again, but hopefully it is not too late.

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Posted: 2013-03-21 11:46:30
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@motvikt, puestadelsol and semo


BRAVO!!!

You guys covered it all! I also, like semo, think Sony deliberately set SE up for failure so they can have their own mobile arm. Shameful but also a shrewd business move or plan, the only question is has it worked out? From where I stand it isn't clear, maybe still early... time will tell.

@bronxdude

I hope the three gentlemen answered your question. Sorry if any of you guys are girls.


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Posted: 2013-03-21 11:57:09
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