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I think that tablets should be allowed in the competition.
I have a mobile internet device (MID) that's not just a phone.
So what about phablets?
And a big NO to that lens sensor packages stuff.
You can egattach a lens accesory that will only improve on what you've imagined, not to ruin the shot.

Just my 2 cents.
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Posted: 2013-09-02 23:11:52
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I'm not trying to fix something that ain't broken. Just maintaing the quality.
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Posted: 2013-09-03 05:57:00
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My opinion, to keep competition fair:

no accessories allowed (external clip on lenses are prohibited, as well as the upcoming sensor on lens tech)
no photo post processing allowed (photoshop, android app, ios app, windows phone app are prohibited)
Exif must be intact, image must be original straight from the cameraphone or tablet.

I believe a tablet's built in camera is fine, they are in the same league as phone cameras in terms of specifications so competition will still be fair, and will all come down to the skill of the photographer, which is what the esato competition is about, apart from participating in the esato community

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Posted: 2013-09-03 06:18:21
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I think most people here are in agreeance.

Tablets - yes
Accessories (ranging from 'clip-on' to 'sensor + lens') - no

I think there should be a line drawn somewhere on the in-camera effects too. The software effects that are applied before actual photo capture e.g. on Xperia Z there are a number of filters that aren't standard, things like kaleidoscope, sketch, Harris shutter. I felt a little guilty using these in one or two recent entries. Not guilty enough to not post the pics as they are within the current rules, but guilty enough to question myself and the nature of the competition.
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Posted: 2013-09-03 08:05:16
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Wait that's just too rigid imho, what about BW/Sepia conversion? what if a certain cameraphone does not have a built in feature for monochrome photography? and suddenly a new theme calls for users to do BW. and that certain guy who wishes to join just couldn't do anything about it?
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Posted: 2013-09-03 12:18:05
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With all due respect, I disagree with nearly all of your post...


-I'm not sure that MOST agree and if so, may a Tablet monthly shootout should be started?
-Clip-on or static accessories bring no problem as many of us have used different lenses and whatnot to change our images.... are you suggesting that NOTHING be placed between the subject and lens? ridiculous


-So, no more black and white photos either? ... If you limit one in phone capability, you have to eliminate them all to keep it fair.... and that is the benefit of certain phones all-be-it an advantage in some cases.... Do you want to limit it to 8mp images also because not all phones can capture 12, 16 or 41... this is just silly IMO.


C'mon, lets not make this a huge thing, the original question was "do we allow more than phones to be used", NOT " lets revisit every rule". As said earlier, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Its a monthly phone shootout not a monthly whatever device comes up next we add to the pile shootout. Once again, if you can NATIVELY make and receive calls from a device without dependency on a data connection, I feel that is a qualified device.

just my .02 - no hard feelings
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Posted: 2013-09-03 12:46:32
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I agree with mlife.

We don't need to change anything in our monthly cameraphone competition. Using sepia or B/W is part of all camera's stock software in all mobile phones which I know. Besides such effect are appearing during taking the shot and it's not postproduction.

EXIF data can verify if some picture was edited in photoshop/picassa/instagram etc. or not.

I'm almost sure that new stuff from Sony will tag it's appearance in EXIF data.
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Posted: 2013-09-03 13:13:01
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I once thought the competition goes after the results - which conveys the message, not the benchmarks, by being too rigid on certain things like post processing, just when our smartphone currently is so flexible that it can now do such feat as compared to the past times, or the use of accessory devices, we basically hinder the results, if a tool is that flexible why cap it's potential? the QX lenses is a new tech, it is built to complement mobile photographers, it was never technically a standalone camera. I don't see the point why it shouldn't be allowed. if this is Sony's way to answer those who seek quality mobile photography then why are we insisting that this tool never be used? why are some people branding such stuffs as cheating? technology is evolving, and we users should be at the forefront of this adaptation, It's kinda sad that some people are being too conservative with changes. especially if it can open further possibilities on the creativity part.
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Posted: 2013-09-03 13:28:13
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I was referring to using another app or computer program to alter the image , There's in-camera processing filters just like you mentioned BW/Sepia which still keeps the exif intact afaik, so those should be fine. I know there has been a BW theme in esato's competition and using those simple filters are necessary. I hope you didn't misunderstand me, I was referring to apps that could completely manipulate the photos' properties such as brightness/contrast/vibrance/noise etc.

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Posted: 2013-09-03 15:39:07
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It is very interesting as I am a novice in photography mobile user .... besides being new to Esato ... but I have a question since my Xperia P with android 4.1.2 has different filters and a very interesting one called my little world is round and the photograph taken after ...... I can part with it? Here some samples:

http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]hotos.php?pid=71665&uid=212870

http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]hotos.php?pid=71254&uid=212870

http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]hotos.php?pid=71400&uid=212870
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Posted: 2013-09-03 19:08:33
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