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Flight mode on my 3650 requires me to take out my SIM card and then start up in flight mode. How on earth could there be any chance of it emitting a signal? There isnt.
Is it the same for the p800/p900?
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Posted: 2003-11-18 10:28:48
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Nope... afaik you don't need to remove the sim. Am I right?
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Posted: 2003-11-18 10:30:09
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On a slightly different note (& a very seriouus one) do you remember that on some of the "911" flights the passengers were making "Final calls" to their loved ones on their mobiles, how must that have felt, i can't imagine.
Airlines are going through sensitive times, if they don't want you to use a device, don't use it, for whatever reason, best not question it.
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Posted: 2003-11-18 10:34:35
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no, you don't remove the SIM. its just a menu option
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Posted: 2003-11-18 10:34:40
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Oh ok- Well, I'll remove the SIM card and keep it on my lap. Then I can play games etc... without a problem. Cool
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Posted: 2003-11-18 10:45:15
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Well if Flight Mode shuts down both bluetooth and the phone dialer itself, so that the phone can not transmit radio signals... then why would it interfere with devices on board???... hell an electric razor probably would cause more interference!!! damn facist bastards!!!
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Posted: 2003-11-18 11:04:06
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This whole thing about not to use mobile phones i aircraft is a hoax. In the early nineties Ericsson and SAS made an extensive study with elaborate field tests and found absolutely no interference with onboard instruments. At the same time SAS had started to roll out onboard creditcard phones in their aircraft so the report was classified since obviously they wanted as much traffic as possible from the creditcard phones (at ridicously high prices). So stop worrying that your phone might interfer with the plane.
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Posted: 2003-11-18 12:25:48
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Here is the UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) ruling on this subject and
here is their research summary page on the topic.
Vodafone participated in a test withe CAA earlier this year and the conclusion was that mobile phones should still be banned.
the following was taken from
this PCWorld article which also mentions that SAS specifically allow the use of phones equipped with flight mode such as Nokia 9210i and
P800
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Airlines should continue their ban on the use of mobile phones on board aircraft because of possible interference with navigation and communication equipment, according to a study published Friday by the U.K. Civil Aviation Authority.
A series of tests exposing a set of aircraft avionic systems to simulated cell phone transmissions revealed various adverse effects on the equipment's performance, CAA said in a statement. Although the equipment allowed a margin above the "original certification criteria for interference susceptibility," the margin wasn't sufficient to protect against potential cell phone interference under worst-case conditions, the authority said.
Vodafone Group participated in the tests.
Suffering a Setback
The study could deal a blow to some airlines, such as Scandinavian Airlines System, which hope some day to offer passengers the opportunity to use their mobile phones in the air in much the same way they're accustomed to on the ground.
Cell phone use has long been banned on airplanes, while the use of many other electrical devices such as notebook computers is banned on take-off and final approach. But passengers, particularly businesspeople, are interested in using their phones on planes to keep in touch with their offices and customers.
In the U.S., the Federal Aviation Administration bans the use of cell phones on airplanes because, like the CAA, it too is concerned about wireless calls interfering with a plane's navigation system.
Safety Concerns
From March 1996 to December 2002, CAA recorded 35 aircraft safety-related incidents that were linked to cell phones, the authority said.
The reported interference incidents included interrupted communications due to noise in the flight crew's headphones, according to the study.
CAA recommends a continued ban on mobile phone use by passengers in aircraft and urges airlines to introduce safety procedures that ensure phones are switched off.
Whether the CAA study will encourage airlines to prohibit the use of mobile phones with flight-safe features remains to be seen.
Flight-Safe Mode
Last week, SAS announced a policy for allowing passengers during flights to use all mobile phone functions, such as calendars, address books, and reading e-mail, that require no signal transmission. To do so, passengers require phones equipped with a flight-safe mode, which essentially prevents a handset from sending or receiving signals required to make phone calls.
Nokia with its 9210i Communicator and Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications with its P800 smart phone are among the first manufacturers to offer handsets with the flight-safe feature.
"We continue to recommend to our customers that they should turn off their mobile phones when inside aircraft and should only turn them back on if equipped with the flight-safe mode," said Nokia spokesperson Damian Stathonikos. "But we understand that some airlines prefer passengers not to use their mobile phones at all."
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...Unless I'm very much mistaken[ This Message was edited by: masseur on 2003-11-18 11:42 ]
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Posted: 2003-11-18 12:37:19
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The airlines are well aware that there is only an extremely small risk of problems with using phones, same as the ban on mobile use in roadside filling stations, but at the end of the day, its THEIR rule & they can tell you to wear a clown outfit while flying with them if they want, it's up to you if you want to use the service you must do it on their terms.
Maybe that guy in the Macdonalds ads comes over by sea, ...i don't know.
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Posted: 2003-11-18 13:01:24
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Nokia with its 9210i Communicator and Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications with its P800 smart phone are among the first manufacturers to offer handsets with the flight-safe feature.
My Siemens SL45 had flight-mode and I bought that nearly three years ago!
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Posted: 2003-11-18 14:03:51
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