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wow SE phones overpriced? haha thats a good one.
i'm not sure what to expect now from nokia, for years its been normal and easy to gues what they'll bring out, but now its time to listen to every rumor and hope they'll scruwe up even more.
as a big SE fan i would say that now's the time to push SE even more. Q2 should be a killerQ SE. for Q3 SE should hope on the succes from Q2 (in terms of people saying they've bought a great phone and the good branding) and the K700 that will be out here in europe and asia (and the Z500 lauching in the US regions). Q4 will remain a mistery for now, as only the S700 will be lauched and a continued sale of the K700.
so all of you that are going to buy a K700 make it Q2, and advise al your friends (again) to buy a new phone (K700 will be in stock but limited, it will be sold out very fast because of the high demand) so let them buy a nice T630/Z600/T230 or a superb P900.
thats what i think should be done, to get the nokia moral down and the SE moral up
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Posted: 2004-04-17 20:13:07
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Posted: 2004-04-17 20:40:29
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[ This Message was edited by: Bianca on 2004-04-17 19:43 ]
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Posted: 2004-04-17 20:42:31
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SE is going the way of Sony believing its products are the best (design & functionality) and every consumers will clamour to buy. They believe that everyone is tech-savvy and willing buy its proprietary+price premiums products. Now you know why Sony products are losing ground very fast.
Only SE fans in this forum with their passion (bordering on fanaticism) cannot see what is happening, and they are the only ones that buy just because it is a SE.
Most other people just don't give a sh**. They just buy the ones that give them the best price overall and many of them just looking forward to buy the next new phone.
So that is why Samsung is doing well because they swamp the market with new phone model every few weeks.
How many new models are SE launching?
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Posted: 2004-04-18 04:50:01
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That's true. I sold my P800 and replaced it with an obscure Taiwan-made Pocket PC phone which is half the price of the P900. P900's too overpriced for me and the Pocket PC phone does wonders.
What's good about samsung is that they release phones with all types of OS to cater to differet types of people.
(traditional OS, Symbian, Windows Pocket PC, Windows Smartphone, Palm)... Nokia and SE (Sad to say) are stubborn and use only proprietary OS.
[ This Message was edited by: jomni1 on 2004-04-20 02:04 ]
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Posted: 2004-04-20 03:02:36
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Well i cant see se picking us much of nokia s market share . With only 1 phone due around june if on time. And maybe the s 700 maybe out before xmas but it wont be a massive seller ap it will be bu the higher price point and other makers will have similar spec phones out before. Its a shame that se could nt have brought some more phones out and earlier ap they could have made a mark
This message was posted from a T610
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Posted: 2004-04-20 09:04:34
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It's a make-or-break opportunity for SE at this time whlie Nokia is still weak. They should do whatever it takes to win the market especially form the more competitive Koreans. If they fail, the Koreans will sure beat 'em (with regards to market share).
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Posted: 2004-04-20 10:23:34
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SE will not be no. 1 in market share for the forseeable future for the simple reason that they are not too interested in the low end of the market right now, which is where all the volume is. instead, they are focusing on the mid to high end, where margins are much bigger.
just think bmw: much lower volume than, say GM, but much higher margins = one of the most profitable car companies in the business.
on that score, they might not be launching half as many new models as samsung might be doing, for instance, but the fact remains that SE's product line is still selling very well. it's quite amazing that despite it's age, the t610 has still been selling very strongly. it is the best-selling camera phone in the world, after all. i presume t610 sales will begin to taper off now that the t630 takes over.
lastly, i don't think number of models on sale is the most important thing. it's how well they penetrate their targeted market segments that is critical.
at the end of the day, while SE is still very young, it has already established a very strong reputation for itself in the mid to high end market, which is its intended goal. that prestigious, high end image will then serve it very well if and when it decides to really go after the low-end market.
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Posted: 2004-04-20 10:41:53
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And it looks like Nokia is not going to compete agressively in the mid-high range as they will concentrate on bringing cheaper phones.
Here are some important business points:
1) Market share isn't everyting... unless your cheap products are high margin as well.
2) The number of models released may not be an optimal strategy... it would be a waste of resources to delvelop a phone every so often, or to develop competeing models. For sure a lot of the models may become flops. Concentrating on a few well-built models may be better (as what I perceive SE is doing).
3) Profitabiltiy and return on investment is what really counts. A company may have large sales but small profit margins. Another company sells only a few but with higher profit margins. The better company is the one who brings the higher rate of return to their investors (no matter what the size).
4) Only time will tell if Nokia goes back to the right track, SE continues to perform well or even better, or Samsung dominates the market.
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Posted: 2004-04-21 02:47:52
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one thing for sure for me is that
is doing better. i am starting to notice people around me switching to
it used to be rare to see people holding a T630/T610/z600. nowadays, they are simply everywhere!
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Posted: 2004-04-21 06:36:03
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