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I suspect that the Muslims that celebrated the 9/11 bombings and all those fundamentalists got all the press coverage, correct me if I'm wrong @axxxr, but most Muslims were probably as outraged as the rest of us at what happened?
The press has this nasty habit of concentrating on the bad things that go on in the world, and this minority get all the media coverage and this turns non-muslims against muslims by making them think that all are the same. And I have to admit I sometimes find myself thinking that myself, I see someone who's obviously a muslim and for a brief second find myself thinking 'I bet he wants to bomb westerners', or 'I wonder if he sympathises with Al-Quieda?' Then I take a step back and think rationally that I'm pre-judging that person just because of his religion, and tell myself off! It's very easy to be swayed by press reports and sensationalism - just look at all the rubbish printed in the UK tabloid press (if you live in the UK) on asylum seekers and the trouble that's causing!
That furore about US soldiers torturing and humiliating Iraqi prisoners is also going to cause trouble, more violence in Iraq, and more sympathy for the muslim extremists. I have to admit there are times when I really don't like the US myself - the way their culture, even though it is a mighty fine one when you look at it, apart from being a bit 'gung-ho' seems to pervade everyone's lives globally in media, products, marketing and branding. Then again, I find myself thinking is all the trendy 'anti-America' crap that's out there changing people's opinions also? Although they really aren't helping themselves there really, they keep shooting themselves in the foot PR wise.....
What they stand for is certainly admirable, but they really should leave well alone where they're not wanted. Whilst doing nothing is not an option (see my signature!), surely all these invasions and wars only create more sympathy for what civilisation is fighting?
Anyway, isn't this off-topic, the title of the thread was 'a little good news from Iraq', wasn't it?
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Posted: 2004-04-30 17:53:57
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Very well put sammy-boy..Nice to know someone has a rational and sensible view on the matter!!
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Posted: 2004-04-30 17:58:57
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Thanks @axxxr!
One other thing (sorry it's still a bit off topic!) - I've just heard on the TV that theres a 'reality' TV gameshow in the US where 5 couple could win a BABY!
They don't really help their own case, really! Are things like the above one of the reasons why the US is so unpopular in the world? It's a shame, as the USA has so much good going for it. And my main worry is that the UK is following them down this same road to hell/perdition/etc. etc. Where will it all end?
I daren't think about that too hard.....
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Posted: 2004-04-30 18:40:02
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well japan has a tv show where women volunteer to wear a bikini and get scalding water poured on them so their company gets extra commercial time. People pay to see women get degraded on live TV!
The U.s. isnt the only ones doing stupid things.
And you know, its not good to bash on the USA because of George Bush. He was elected with less than half of the popular vote, AND Al Gore got more votes than George Bush. I despise our president personally because he acts like he's God's gift to the world. Talk about pompous!
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Posted: 2004-04-30 18:54:14
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I can't believe that win a baby game show!!...that is pure sick!!..not to say that what they do in japan is any better!!!
I dont think that the republicans will ever do americans any good in the world,We need a democrat leader all the way!!
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Posted: 2004-04-30 19:04:54
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funny thing is republicans (well conservatives) have never really done much to better society, although thats what they preach.
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Posted: 2004-04-30 19:11:36
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great threadjacking there people.
well since it was my thread, i think i have a right of reply....
i just knew that someone would take my post and go on about "illegal war", and western racism, and every other over-generalisation and under the sun. absolutely anything to deny the positives. while the current situation in iraq may not be ideal, it seems to me a damn site better than what was there before.
btw - if anyone can find me a "legal" war i would be most interested.
note also that as iraq moves closer to self-rule, the shi'ites escalate their actions. i hope that irony is not lost on anyone.
58 days to Iraqi sovereignty and counting down.
First
democratic elections in over 20 years expected in Jan 2005.
and for the record - my opions on muslims are based on personal experience, not prejudice, having lived and worked in an area with a large muslim population for 6 years. i agree the majority of muslims are decent people, but they can also be an insular group with little inclination to associate with others. i would also like to say that the racism i have personally observed on the part (a minority) of muslims far exceeds anything else in my experience. i have seen a gang of ten ten-year-old lebanese muslims attack a pair of ten-year-old lebanese catholics for being "traitors" while the parents watched on, smiling, and did NOTHING. having said that, one of my best friends at university was a turkish muslim who was absolutely disgusted by the conduct of such people.
however, one of my biggest problems is that too many muslims are altogether
far too quiet when it comes to publicly condemning the extremists.
now i've got that off my chest i would like to get back on topic and point to two things i found on the net.
firstly, an article by Sports Illustrated in March 2003 detailing the depravity of Uday Hussein:
Son of Saddam
secondly, perhaps the most inspiring website i have ever seen (from a country that until a few months ago had no such thing as free media or internet access):
Iraqi Sports Online: The New Generation
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Gee, does that beat me? I only got two pair - two aces, and another two.
Check this out - it's a cracker![ This Message was edited by: gelfen on 2004-05-04 07:48 ]
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Posted: 2004-05-04 08:04:24
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@Gelfen
Sorry about this thread jacking but my previous responses had some replies which I would wish to answer and I don't want to open anotehr thread for that. If you want me to remove this post please PM me and I will edit/delete it.
@axxr
I presume you think I hate all Muslims which is wrong as I said in the previous thread I am from a country which has the second highest population of Muslims in the world and have lots of Muslim friends but you are right in assuming that I hate most of the muslim ideologies, I had a very good friend from Saudi and once he invited me for dinner at his home and can you believe, while he was a very nice person his wife was not even allowed to come and see me, to be honest I felt sorry for that lady thinking that she has to live like that for her whole life. Now about you saying Islam is interpreted differently in different countries, I don’t understand that because some of the Islamic ‘scholars’ I have talked to have told me that Quran is not open to interpretation and you can’t even change an ‘arif’. Was I informed wrong? And another reason for my anger is, might be because of the publicity they are getting, the views of the radicals in Islam is highly irritating. Would you wonder if some one is angry against Islam after seeing the arrogant way in which people like Abu Hamsa talk in the tele? I agree he may be a minority but then the issue is like Gelfen said above moderate muslims are far too quiet when it comes to publicly condemning the extremists, this gives a notion that all are supporting him. Also I always try to see what the young Muslims in UK think of the rest of the world and its quite easy in Manchester because most of the taxi drivers are muslims just start a chat being neutral about iraq or palestine and you can see how much hatred they have against the western world may be they are brain washed I don’t know. Also I have seen muslims find it hard to integrate with the society they are living in I don’t know why? Again yesterday a Palestinian suicide bomber killed a lady and her 4 kids why them why couldn’t they kill the soldiers who are always in Palestine destroying their cities and do you wonder why world opinion is against them? So now you can see I don’t hate Muslims and for that matter any one but I am against these radical ideologies and I always feel its important to raise my voice against it and I have done that when Hindus killed Muslims in a riot in India last year.
@Vlammetje
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as I am most interested to read about iraqi athletes feeling hopeful about their future and not at all in reading your viewpoints on the cause and blame of all the hatred in the world.
I didn’t know that we should talk about topics, which you are interested in
, or are you a moderator now? (I was away a few days so might have missed that)
Sorry if I offended you by raising my opinion in a public forum
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Posted: 2004-05-04 11:22:43
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Thanks for using my response for such a lame reply. So let me take the time to spell it out completely for you then: there have been, still are and no doubt WILL BE countless threads on everybody's views of the situation in the world, the Israeli conflict, terrorism in any way, the situation in Iraq and whether or not this war should have taken place. I know coz I've taken the time to respond in a few.
THIS thread however, is not about any such thing. It's about normal Iraqi citizens, the only ones whose voices nobody hears, hoping for the future.
Now it seems that a policy of this board is to keep threads more or less on topic so it's sort of clear what discussions are going on where. (admitted...... most threads seem to be not very topical at all these days)
And as much as I am interested in everybody's opinion on anything and everything, i can't say I'm all that cheerfull about running into the same arguments by (more or less) the same ppl in yet another thread.
In other words, I meant to say
BACK TO TOPIC PLEASE!!!
I hope this is all a bit clearer to you now.
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Posted: 2004-05-04 14:14:29
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On 2004-05-04 14:14:29, Vlammetje wrote:
" Thanks for using my response for such a lame reply. "
"... i can't say I'm all that cheerfull about running into the same arguments by (more or less) the same ppl in yet another thread."
"In other words, I meant to say BACK TO TOPIC PLEASE!!!"
@Vlammetje
I always wonder why you are so patronising in all your posts the above are only a few examples. And why all these shouting (big bold capital letters) we all can hear you loud and clear. I personally think you have a serious attitude problem.
You didn't like me replying in this thread but you still chose this thread to reply to me instead of PM . Practise before you preach
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Posted: 2004-05-04 14:30:10
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