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I was about to post a similar question but came upon this thread so...
Anyway, the P800 looks very promising. I currently use a T68i and a Sony Clie N760C. Now if the P800 could replace my two gadgets, then great.
But I'm kinda unsure about the OS of the P800. I'm not all that familiar with the Symbian OS and I've grown very accustomed to the Palm OS. A big plus with the Palm OS are the thousands of freeware and shareware programs available. Does the Symbian OS have the same support of 3rd party developers?
Lastly, is the Symbian OS similar in operation/function to the Palm OS?
Thanks guys.
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Posted: 2002-07-07 17:42:00
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Great thread.
I'm on the "want a P800 wagon". But when I look at it more .... "logically" I know I'll wait to see what's around the corner.
3G is going to happen and the phones we have now may, but probably won't, work on this system.
I currently have T68i and ClieN770. The only problem I have is sending information [pictures] from phone to clie. Not a great problem in the great scheme of things.
Another issue for me is the size of the P800. Its not gargantuan, but it definitely is visible. As a work tool, brilliant, but I wouldn't want to take it out "socially" as it is too large to be discreet. I do wonder how my opinion would change if the P800 came with PalmOs instead of Symbian though.
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Posted: 2002-07-07 18:27:00
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from my experience with Symbian SW, it's a lot efficient than Palm's OS... it doesn't need the hardware to conform to it the way Palm and Pocket PC do. EPOC actually adapts to the hardware it's plugged into... the main problem with Symbian is their business strategy... they were isolated in Europe with no US and Asian 3rd party support, until now.
The OS itself is VERY stable, VERY fast, and VERY efficient (CPU, Battery, and byte-wise) I'd have to say that Palm and Symbian are on similar levels in terms of features and speed... PPC is just... well, nevermind that... Symbian might pick up due to the fact that Nokia AND SE are supporting it with their high-end phones.
The GUI on the P800 looks great... a cross between PPC, and Palm. 3rd party support isn't that extensive yet... but the P800 comes with an SDK for those of you who have the time, skill and patience to make your own apps.
I have no problems with the height or width of the P800... I do have a problem with the thickness though... 1"????? Even the primitive 7650 is 1" thick... with the 7650 hitting 2" when opened! If it's cuz of the cameras... then I suggest they just make those cameras add-on accessories.
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Posted: 2002-07-07 20:47:00
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I've seen P-800,..and it looks nice, not that big really.
(also tried the 7650).
But I would still use a more ordinary small phone,..basically because the P-800 is too big to have in an e.g. shirt-pocket.
I use Ipaq H3870 and T68i,...a very good combination. Pocket pc 2002 is very good in terms of "mobile communication".
For those who think about Ipaq H3970 with 400Mhz processor being faster than 3870,..think again,..3970 an e.g. LOOX is not faster than 3870 , as the CE/pocket pc OS doesnt support faster processors at the moment.
So the reason for bying H3970 would be more ROM-space and a screen thats been optimized.
The JOEY XDA I tested,..this is a very good device, and You could use it with a SD-bluetooth card.
Pocket pc 2002 and mobile unit works really good together on this device.
The built-quality of the JOEY is very good,..actually made at the same factory as Ipaq
The P-800 DOES look good in real life, no doubt about it.
Its great to hear if SE will include the developers Kit,..as this kit for Symbian is quite expensive to purchase
Symbian V-7 on P-800 seems to work good,..it also works ok on 7650, although they are not using the same version of Symbian.
It does seem fast and efficient.
only real problem can be, that there are no programs out there yet for Symbian,..but they will surely come too
I do still like pocket pc 2002 a lot,..very easy and very good with the communication-features.
It's all a matter of taste, I guess
I'm not quite sure if I'll get the P-800,...might just wait and get the new version of T68 instead...and use this together with a very good pda instead.
Jan
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Posted: 2002-07-08 17:19:00
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jplacson - I don't think the P800 is that much thicker than the t68i.
Here's what Esato has on the sizes:
t68i= 101 x 48 x 20 mm
P800= 117 x 59 x 27 mm
Only 7mm thicker.
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Posted: 2002-07-08 18:37:00
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@jh67
Jan, what do you mean by the new version of the T68. It seems to me se hasn't yet released a roadmap for their new high spec "phone" (rather than pda/phone combo P800).
Do you know something we don't or are you just assuming they will get around to it?
As for the speed issue of the 3970 vs 3870, the os is not optimised for the Xscale processor, but future apps may be. At that point the faster chip will help. Also if you consider that the original iPaqs could be updated to PocketPC 2002 it seems likely that if/when a new version of the handheld os comes out, the 3970 might very well be updatable to it, and then it will take advantage of its faster chip...
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Posted: 2002-07-08 18:58:00
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Hey guys, check out this phone.
- Kyocera 7135
- tri-mode flip-phone
- runs Palm OS 4.1
- 16 MB of RAM
- additional storage via a single Secure Digital slot
- built-in digital audio player for playing MP3 files stored on the SD card
- includes a speakerphone as well as a headphone/microphone jack for hands-free operation
- voice-activated dialing, a vibrating alarm, and SMS messaging
Anyway, read about it at...
http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/1980.html
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Posted: 2002-07-09 14:15:00
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Andrew > About the pocket pc H3870/3970.
Microsoft told, that they will not built a new version right away.
Of course it will come in the future,..their reason for not doing a new version right away,..I find quite ok,...as they already have different versions of windows and so on. It would take a lot of money/time to maintain these.
So I dont believe we'll see a new one right away,..but yes, of course, WHEN that new system comes, then the H3970 will work far better.
About the release of a "new" T68,..hehe,..no, I dont know, but people are talking,..and I believe it will come this year.
Mostly because I dont think SE will want to be left behind,..with the new Nokias coming out with 4096colors, java,.....and also because the T68 is very popular,..and I think they wanna keep it that way.
I know SE havent spoken about a "new model",..and there wasnt any talk about it on Cebit either,..but look at the 6610,..that suddenly "popped-out" of nowhere.....Nokia hadnt told about this model either.
I looked at the P-800 in Amsterdam,..and SE didnt say a word about the memory-stick, hehe. The day after, they showed the new model with memory-stick duo !
These guys are just very good in "keeping secrets" hehe
Jan
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Posted: 2002-07-09 21:58:00
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