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I got a feelin that this massive market for consumer electronics is one big conspiricy, a lot of companys these days are just filling our pockets with usless devices, i mean mobiles phones are good, now you get them with camras, this is also good for spare of the moment pics, but 2.0,3.2 and 5.0 mega pixals?! If your gonna do photogaphy buy a camra dedicated to it, smart phones?! i dont even get it, buy a PDA? PDA's!!?? not quite a laptop to big for a phone, LAPTOPS! wait till you get home! lol
Dont worry im just running on, (i feel better now lol)
Sorry about the spelling, i was always crap at it!
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Posted: 2005-08-21 10:15:03
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mib, if you look at the cameras on their own, then you can certainly compare them. And the K750 comes out on top for stills, the N90 for video
But that ignores the smartphone capability, and isn't that the basis of your argument that the phones can't be compared?
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Posted: 2005-08-21 14:15:39
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For me a smartphone is great and I love my Nokia 6260, but for me a camera is more important hence why Im getting the W800i. I was going to get the N90 untill I found out that it doesn't have virbrate, which to me is critical as I carry my phone in work (which is banned). So my search lead me to the W800i as I like the design and having a PSP already, I can share memory cards between the two. The N90 is no more a innvation than the K750/W800. The N90 is just a fancy top of the market upgrade to the 6260, even down to its twisting. The N91 however is a new device. It doesnt look like any other Nokia. Where as the N90 & K70/W800 are upgrades the N91 is a new device. Wi-fi, HDD, ability to steam music over wi-fi all make it a great new device.
As for the debate over smartphones and mobiles, well at the end of the day the public will decide not us guys & girls that know phones. And so far they've voted against smartphones. With Nokia's effort to force its public onto S60 devices could back fire as much as the wacky designs. Nokia is making efforts to please parts of the markets, etc silders, non-camera phones, smartphones, where as SE makes a great design that everyone can love. The problem Ive heard from friends is that they like there phones to be different. Used to be they'd stay away from Nokia's cause everyone had them, Im now hearing that about the K750 and W800.
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Posted: 2005-08-21 15:48:11
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Buddy,you want a camera phone ? Look no further then the Sharp 903 ! Is the best camera phone atm money can buy!
This message was posted from a Nokia 7650
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Posted: 2005-08-22 04:23:13
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On 2005-08-21 14:15:39, max_wedge wrote:
mib, if you look at the cameras on their own, then you can certainly compare them. And the K750 comes out on top for stills, the N90 for video
But that ignores the smartphone capability, and isn't that the basis of your argument that the phones can't be compared?
My point is that many K750 fans seems to think that since the K750 is slightly better than N90 in camera stills (and smaller!!) then K750 would whack the sales of N90. I am just saying this may not be the case. Those people that are targeted by N90 (i.e. tech-savvy with high expectation of functionalities/customisation) may not even consider K750 as an alternative in the first place as K750 is too rudimentary to them. SE phones are not in these customers radar as SE just dont have anything that is in the same league as the Nseries.
You keep saying majority of buyers dont know what is a smartphone and dont have a need for them. This statement is superfluous. Am I correct to say your "majority" is about 85-90% of phone buyers? Of course N90 (or any smartphone) is not targeted at this group. It is targeted at the top 10-15% who are tech-savvy power users. And these translate to something like 100million customers per year. And this number will keep growing year by year.
btw: the profile of SE buyers (due to Sony name tag) are skewed towards the upper-end. So this 10-15% may translate to something like 15-20% of SE potential customers. So SE can kiss good-bye to this group.
So like the K700, the K750 is likely to compete against the like of 6230i and upcoming 6270/6280 and NOT Nokia smartphones. This is evident in the price of K750.
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Posted: 2005-08-22 05:01:58
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if the n90 is marketed as a camera phone, then it will compete well against w800/k750.
If they push the smartphone aspect, peeps will go well I can get a much smaller 1.3 megapixel smartphone...
However, it will be interesting to see how N90 sales compare to W800/K750....
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Posted: 2005-08-22 05:19:41
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of course N90 sales would be much lower than K750.
yes, N90 is marketed as multimedia phone and the multimedia capabilities itself far surpassed the K750. And the fact it is 3G would further enhance it further.
To those who find the size of N90 too much, there is still the N70 and N91 or even the 6680/1/2. So Nokia has the high end mostly covered. SE on the other hand is still very lacking in this segment.
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Posted: 2005-08-22 06:13:59
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korbindallis Posts: > 500
i may be goin off topic hear but did any one check out the cam or the N91 its really horrible
I cant understand the design of the N91 its got connectors form the top and on the side lol
nokia should rethink the design and the cam is useless at least in the one that was given to the press first time around the battery quality also needs a rethink next time around
ok for the N90 nokia should think of the size and battery quality and put a vibratory in it next time around
as for the K750i which I have been using for 3 months now and only think I would like to see is the k750i put in the body of a k600 cause I checked that phone out and its excellent built wise with the latch able back cover and solid feel but for now i just treat my k750 very carefully
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Posted: 2005-08-22 07:37:05
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Please don't confuse yourself buddy. If you think - I will buy the N91 because its capability of taking pictures you are 'a bit' wrong ! Yes the K750i is a camera phone and one will buy it to take pics and make phone calls. It can't really do much als anyway. Not even SE is arguing about this.On the other hand the N91 is a one hand controled pc equivalent ! In other words is in a different liga/class altogether. Think more in terms of the P-series and you may have a horse (albeit a bit old) to ride on ;-) Greetings from South Africa. Mario.
This message was posted from a Nokia 7650
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Posted: 2005-08-22 11:48:34
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mario, both you and mib have compared smartphones to a PC.
I mean seriously, you say K750 can't be compared to a smartphone (fair enough it can't be technically speaking other than camera comparisons), but then you compare a smartphone to a fully fledged computer!!!!
The ONLY THING that a smartphone shares with a computer (and the only reason you can call it a computer) is it's multitasking ability. In terms of gaming, image editing, audio engineering, CAD, desktop publishing, and a whole host of other functions that a desktop computer or laptop computer can perform, smartphones have more in common with non-smartphones.
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Posted: 2005-08-22 14:48:31
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