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You could always develop and test a DDOS trojan on a Mac running a Windows emulator I suppose
Deploying a DDOS attack is relatively easy. Deploying a DDOS attack that actually
works is a different matter altogether. Thanks to the widespread use of decentralised file sharing, finding your target machines is an absolute doddle.
But once they've downloaded and run that naughty exectutable of yours, how do you make it get round Windows security features, all third-party antivirus and antimalware applications, all third-party firewalls, and anything else that the average paranoid PC user might be running?
That's what separates the men from the boys
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Posted: 2007-08-19 16:38:03
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For gods sake,even digg can be used for DDOS lol
next,p2p networks,there are several exploits there too which enable them to be used as effective tools.
Not to mention those worms,underground sites et all.
Why isnt M-R up till now?
odelsteken,
could you elaborate hat u said on java ?
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Posted: 2007-08-19 16:51:17
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Haha
. Well since the ddos is basically a port attack, and a legit request according to apache webserver, there is not much you can do, without distributed servers
. That is where testing a ddos attack on your server comes in, to prevent sites from totally being knocked out.
See, here we have a splendid example of a pc expert. Knows the things that mac owners dont lol!
. Thanks for pointing that out Cyco
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Posted: 2007-08-19 16:54:54
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On 2007-08-19 16:51:17, shyam335 wrote:
For gods sake,even digg can be used for DDOS lol
next,p2p networks,there are several exploits there too which enable them to be used as effective tools.
Not to mention those worms,underground sites et all.
Yeah, but only if you know what you're doing! And if you're on the ball too, you have to be practically sat in front of a screen reading newsgroup and IRC channels 24/7 to keep up with the most newly found vulnerabilities. Well, maybe 24/7 is a bit of an exaggeration but you get my point!
Like I said, it's easy enough to do a ddos but it's another thing entirely to do an effective ddos!
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Posted: 2007-08-19 18:34:56
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18 years does not really mean that you have done anything productive for the computer world, like most people dont do.
Did I claim to have done anything productive for the 'computer world'? You know nothing about what I've done. If you consider DDOS attacks (the subject of this thread) as "something productive for the computer world" then that says more about you than me.
Helping people turn on their macs or formating their hdds is not rocket science.
Again, did I say it was? And I do considerably more than that...
From the fact that you cant compile anything, means that you have not made any programs, or even coded much that is worth something.
You need to read my post properly... I didn't say I couldn't compile anything - I said I couldn't compile for BSD. I've never needed to.
You obviously have no idea about programming for a Mac. BSD (which you said all the DDOS tools can be compiled for) is the sub-system of OS X, which you don't even have to know about when writing most software for Mac OS X.
And yes, Macs are for less gifted computer people, thats how it is. PC's are for gaming, cad and other advanced features. Macs are used for mail, making movies, and some editing, but nothing out of the ordinary.
Gaming? An advanced feature? LOL! You seem to have forgotten about the creative industry, movies, special effects, compositing, animation, music, print, publishing, design...
Lets just say that nothing contributing to humanity is made on a mac, so no go on a space shuttle running mac os....
Viruses and malware are all great PC contributions to humanity aren't they? Does the Space Shuttle run on Windows then? I never knew... I always thought most of NASAs computers ran variations of UNIX (hang on, isn't that the basis of Mac OS X?)
i just have extensive knowledge for testing on my own servers and applications, since it is required to have any kind of successful site that wont come down with such a simple attack.
Oh, so now you have to have 'extensive knowledge' to combat 'simple attacks'? You previously claimed "anyone can do a DOS attack".
Anyway, as usual PC geek boys have turned this thread into a Mac-bashing thread, even though no Apple users actually said anything negative about PCs.
I just made the point that most Apple users wouldn't have the technical know-how to launch a successful DDOS attack (same as most Windows users wouldn't I guess). And just because M-R received an email claiming to be acting on behalf of Apple users, doesn't mean it was.
Clearly a bit of reason is lost on many people...
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Posted: 2007-08-19 20:13:36
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@ shyam335
http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.114664
It's written in swedish but the content is about javaprogrammers today choosing intelbased macs for two reasons.
1. Stability. They claim Windows is not stable enough and Linux/Solaris being to complicated. They say OS X is Unixbased but faster and easy to use. Unix also uses alot of special commands and settings that makes programming more flexible.
2. The ability to run more than one OS on a single computer for testing.
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Posted: 2007-08-19 22:00:59
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I see the main web page is back but still no sign of the forum. Can anyone from
MR give me any idea when the forum is likely to be back?
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Posted: 2007-08-19 23:40:12
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@ Super Chimp
that must surely be a good sign then. there have been times in the past when the main page and the reviews are available but not the forum due to a technicality with the server.
it may possibly mean that the DDoS attack has stopped.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2007-08-19 22:49 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-19 23:48:12
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Sindre Lia from InfoSyncWorld
wrote down his thoughts about the mobile-review (MR) attack and I agree about what he wrote. Let me first say that I do not support such activities. After all, we are just talking about a mobile phone review here! In my opinion, MR is playing on both sides. MR is paying off (in one way or another) insiders in Nokia, SE or most likely one if the Telco operator company to get their hands on pre-production units. Why else would someone risk their job to do this? This activity is being done without the acceptance of the manufactures and/or employer. My guess is that the site owner would have been contacted by an attorney if it was located outside of Russia. In the US for example.
I know for a fact that Sony Ericsson don't like the way someone constantly leak these pre-production units to MR. We are not talking about a blurry photo once in a while, but a working sample of the pre-production unit. The reason why no one are handed a pre-unit is of course that it is not finished product and is having faults which will be fixed before the official product launch. If MR wants everyone else to behave by the rules, they should of course act accordingly.
Esato did receive a warning about someone trying to "take Esato" in approximately 50 hours 2 days before MR started to having trouble. The warning did not mention Apple or any other brand fan, but it did give out the people behind the upcoming attack. Luckily they didn’t fulfil anything here.
Infosynworld snip:
After receiving an anonymous message claiming that Apple fans are behind a DDoS attack that has forced Mobile-Review to temporarily shut down their service, Mobile-Review offers $10.000 USD to any individual or group of individuals who can provide documented information on the mastermind of the attack.
Served from a Russian internet web host, Mobile-Review has grown into a large mobile phone community, where insiders in the Russian mobile industry leak classified information and pre-production units of GSM handsets to the Mobile-Review team. As these GSM handsets are typically the same ones that are launched in the rest of the world, needless to say, any mobile manufacturer would have shut down this web site if they had the opportunity.
Ironically, the one handset that Mobile-Review probably didn't dissect before its launch - Apple's iPhone - is now claimed to be the reason why the site is not currently available. In a statement, Eldar Murtazin of Mobile-Review suspects that his negative press about Apple's iPhone, has led to a DDoS attack involving several tens of thousands of compromised computers across the globe.
Pretty much every website on the Internet is once in a while experiencing mild DDoS attacks from script kiddies, but the extent of the attack at Mobile-Review, tells us that the site's Russian origin is more likely to be the reason for the attack, rather than negative press about Apple's iPhone.
Only time will tell what happens to Mobile-Review in the future, but most likely the TBGR-like service will re-appear soon
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Posted: 2007-08-20 00:38:30
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what do they mean by this?
"Russian origin is more likely to be the reason for the attack, rather than negative press about Apple's iPhone. "
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Posted: 2007-08-20 04:40:07
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