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@comfort mdu
Yes it hasn't been cahnged since it was given by Allah almighty to
His Messenger Muhammed (pbuh) through revelation. Thanks for the comment!
@joebmc
The Quran, hasn't been written by Muhammed, it's God's word it can't be written by a human, it was only given to Muhammed (pbuh) by Allah almighty through revelation. It is sad that some people have changed interpretation of Quran and showed Islam as something bad in the world, and it's opposite Islam is peace!
@max_wedge
But the Bible was changed by the people, there are hundreds of versions of Bible and only one version of Quran, that's why I said that Quran stayed the same. The Qur'an is the last of the Divine Books, and it contains the ''Bible'' in it too, all the prophets before Muhammed (pbuh) were Muslims and believed in one and only God, it's just that some people didn't accept him as the last and final prophet and stayed with Bible (changed it as they liked and became Christians) and didn't accept the Quran as the final Book.
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Posted: 2007-09-12 13:57:17
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according to the Glorious Quran Adam (pbuh) was the first man on Earth, created from dust.
First part of my signature if you want to read more!
Peace
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Posted: 2007-09-12 14:10:21
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@PeterKay
Ofocourse he was the first man and the first prophet (pbuh). PeterKay, did you also converted to Islam, sorry if I'm being rude, I've seen your nick Peter that's why I ask.
Selamun alejkum
p.s. Quran came as a mercy to the whole universe and the whole man kind, I just remembered that when I saw your signature 4MANKIND!
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Posted: 2007-09-12 14:13:24
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Guys, guys, I told you that this would turn into one of those religious threads. Now let's keep whatever we believe in to ourselves and close it. It's getting annoying.
[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2007-09-12 14:05 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-12 15:04:58
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On 2007-09-12 13:12:42, max_wedge wrote:
btw, my mother is eternal also, she was the first person, she immaculately conceived me. As the thread title asks, was Adam the first "man"? He wasn't, I was. No one said anything about the first woman
I see you got it all covered, I’m starting to believe you, in fact I’m going to convert to max_wedgeism.
On 2007-09-12 13:57:17, SaLiH wrote:
@joebmc
The Quran, hasn't been written by Muhammed, it's God's word it can't be written by a human, it was only given to Muhammed (pbuh) by Allah almighty through revelation. It is sad that some people have changed interpretation of Quran and showed Islam as something bad in the world, and it's opposite Islam is peace!
[ This Message was edited by: SaLiH on 2007-09-12 13:10 ]
Well as I understand Allah revelled the contents to Mohammad and he got his best pals (sorry cant think what there called) to write down Allah’s revelation as he was illiterate. So technically it was written buy his publishers (best pals) and therefore was written buy humans, even though it was (allegedly) god’s words being written.#
On 2007-09-12 15:04:58, NightBlade wrote:
Guys, guys, I told you that this would turn into one of those religious threads. Now let's keep whatever we believe in to ourselves and close it. It's getting annoying.
[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2007-09-12 14:05 ]
Nothing wrong with discussion/learning about others beliefs (as long as its done nicely). If its annoying you, don’t pay attention to it.
[ This Message was edited by: joebmc on 2007-09-12 16:50 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-12 17:49:38
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On 2007-09-12 13:57:17, SaLiH wrote:
@max_wedge
But the Bible was changed by the people, there are hundreds of versions of Bible and only one version of Quran, that's why I said that Quran stayed the same. The Qur'an is the last of the Divine Books, and it contains the ''Bible'' in it too, all the prophets before Muhammed (pbuh) were Muslims and believed in one and only God, it's just that some people didn't accept him as the last and final prophet and stayed with Bible (changed it as they liked and became Christians) and didn't accept the Quran as the final Book.
I didn't say the Bible was never changed, it's been changed thousands of times. I said the scriptures, the ancient documents that all versions of the bible are based on have never changed since they were written, these are claimed by Christians to also have been "handed down" by God. The various versions of the bible, are attempts by different Christian sects to interpret the true meaning of the original scriptures.
The "bible" you say is included in the Quran, is because the Quran was based in part on the early hebrew scriptures. In other words, Muhammed borrowed some of his ideas from the hebrew scriptures (not "the bible"). It was hardly direct from God, since the hebrew scriptures were written well before Muhammed's time. God may have inspired Muhammed to combine the ancient hebrew teachings with his own, but the words from the hebrew scriptures were written by hebrew rabbi's hundred of years earlier.
The quran itself is just another attempt to interpret the ancient scriptures. What proof or even persuasive evidence do you have that shows that the Muslim interpretation is any more accurate than the christian one? The answer is none. So you see, I will never follow a religion that asks me to believe on faith alone - if I'm not moved by it then as far as I'm concerned it has no special power. That goes for the Quran, the Bible, the Hindu Scrolls, etc etc. None of them make me succumb to exalted revelation
And I have investigated them all.
And I'm still agnostic. There is no special truth in any one religion over any other. They are all just an attempt by man (and woman!) to explain the things that science hasn't quantified yet. I'm not saying there is no God, but if there is "it" does not care if you are jewish, christian, muslim, buddhist, wiccan or whatever. Surely a man's good works are far more important to a loving God than which religion you follow or which name you call God.
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Posted: 2007-09-12 18:09:58
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Not so fast!
We havnt asked Max_wedge's grandmother!
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Posted: 2007-09-12 18:20:24
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Posted: 2007-09-13 01:36:00
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It looks we are being drawn away from the centre of disscussion here. As I said this is an open interpretation.
@joebmc just like one mate said, [u]if you are less intereste in this topic you are not forcxed to make contribution because i dont want this to be a fire thread.[/u]
As far as I see it this is mostly debatable between Christianity and Islamic. Okay, as I have quoted in the first three accounts of this thread from the holy bible as far as who I think yhe first man was. May you also do the same so that we can keep a close relevence and track of this topic.
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Posted: 2007-09-13 14:16:23
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On 2007-09-13 14:16:23, comfort mdu wrote:
It looks we are being drawn away from the centre of disscussion here. As I said this is an open interpretation.
@joebmc just like one mate said, if you are less intereste in this topic you are not forcxed to make contribution because i dont want this to be a fire thread.
As far as I see it this is mostly debatable between Christianity and Islamic. Okay, as I have quoted in the first three accounts of this thread from the holy bible as far as who I think yhe first man was. May you also do the same so that we can keep a close relevence and track of this topic.
So this thread is now about religion soley, and not the first man on earth?
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Posted: 2007-09-13 17:23:36
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