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Well that was rather disappointing, to see your "arguments" dropped to a rather childish level...
So final reply from me... since I'll just be repeating myself.
On 2008-06-20 11:08:59, mib1800 wrote:
Since you are so well versed in SE/Nokia Java, it would not take you much (or would it?
) to give us a rundown on what are the differences between the Java implementation in S60 and your beloved SE.
You're right, wouldn't take me much. Here you go.
http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/N82
http://developer.sonyericsson[....]s/phonegallery/c905/p_c905.jsp
Java APIs on the C905 which are not present on the N82.
Mobile Services Architecture (MSA) umbrella standard JSR 248:
- Content Handler API (JSR 211)
- Scalable 2D Vector Graphics API for Java ME (JSR 226)
- Payment API (JSR 229)
- Mobile Internationalization API (JSR 238)
- Java Binding for the OpenGL ES API (JSR 239)
- Java 3D 1.1
- Mascot Capsule Micro3D Version 3
- Sony Ericsson Project Capuchin API
Overview of Java APIs in Symbian OS
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:J2ME:SymbianOS_and_J2ME
On 2008-06-20 11:08:59, mib1800 wrote:
Most newer games have option to set volume. Havent we been thru this.
Why are u nitpicking?
"I'm sorry, you're limited to only running most newer games on your phone".
"Oh... ok then. Wouldn't you like an extra 500 EUR then?"
On 2008-06-20 11:08:59, mib1800 wrote:
Put your money where your mouth is and give us the names of the game from major Java game developers that are not supported on S60.
Fine... go to Gamejump.com, a site where many many JavaME developers, including major companies, release their games. Select a N82, check out how many games are offered it each category. Then select W800, check again how many games are offered.
For Arcade category, I count 18 games for N82 and 130 for W800.
For Action category, I count 19 games for N82 and 300 for W800.
For Puzzle category, I count 16 games for N82 and 192 for W800.
Count the rest yourself.
On 2008-06-20 11:08:59, mib1800 wrote:
What are the things that are pre-installed on your SE that are not available on out-of box S60 other than the smileys.
Ok... one last time for the entertainment factor of the other readers.
- A radio that has good reception. N82 does NOT has this.
- A mediaplayer with the basic stuff you'll hear many people complain N82 doesn't have.
- SMS functionality such as smileys, and date + time on the SMS in the folders. N82 does not have this
- It's possible to control volume on my Java games, fantastic.
- It keeps power for more than a day. Amazing.
- There's a browser that suits my needs, and which I use quite a lot
- Much better Java abilities with a much bigger market offering much more games and application than you'll see on the Symbian market, and thus also a lot of freeware.
Are we done now?
@Dogmann
Sure I can compare whatever I want. If I need to solve something, like "The quest of getting to work in the morning" I could choose between a bicycle or a car. Two very different things, but each with their capabilities of getting the job done, at each their cost. I like the exercise so I'll go with the bicycle, but I completely understand those who's too lazy and choose the car.
In the smartphone vs dumbphone issue, I do understand why *a few* people would choose the smartphone, but absolutely not why the majority would. The advantages of a smartphone are so few, and compared with the downsides, the advantages kinda gets lost to me.
I'm not saying N82 is rubbish. Just saying that for most consumers, a dumbphone will offer so much more than a smartphone, and in this case I'm also comparing the hardware-part of the UI, such as the keys. How many people needs to be able to record conversations? How many people needs to have the phone change profiles automatically? I think the N-series is selling for other reasons, such as the camera.
Anyway, yes, it's a matter of preference. And you're right that SE is dropping due to many stupid decisions. That's why I went for the N82 in the first place, being quite sure it would be better than the standard SE delivers today. Especially the K850 and P990 stories made me switch. But I've learned my lesson now. I need to stick with SE, because they offer overall the best phones with the widest market in my opinion.
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Posted: 2008-06-20 13:17:30
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On 2008-06-20 13:17:30, mr_lou wrote:
I'm not saying N82 is rubbish. Just saying that for most consumers, a dumbphone will offer so much more than a smartphone, and in this case I'm also comparing the hardware-part of the UI, such as the keys.
Agreed.
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Posted: 2008-06-20 13:27:53
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I like this thread.
At the end of the day if SE were competing with the rest then such threads wouldnt exist but the fact is SE have fallen behind. The cancellation of Paris and BeiBei are proof of that.
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Posted: 2008-06-20 13:45:52
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On 2008-06-20 00:35:59, Guto_ViP wrote:
Mr. Lou, im using LCG Jukebox... good player!
Thanks for the recommendation. I tried the application, and while it does indeed allow me to play the music in a specific folder, my newly purchased headset with playbuttons is useless when using LCG Jukebox.
On 2008-06-20 00:35:59, Guto_ViP wrote:
I saw waht you said about N82 isnt have smile for animated SMS, so i found a perfect program for this... Call Zensis Animated SMS
A-SMS from Zensis is exactly the application I've installed. It doesn't integrate well enough.
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Posted: 2008-06-20 17:09:50
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Java APIs on the C905 which are not present on the N82.
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Anyone using these APIs to develop games or apps yet?
Fine... go to Gamejump.com, a site where many many JavaME developers, including major companies, release their games.
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Count the rest yourself.
I am not sure how you count. In the "adventure" category it gives the same 11 pages whether I select W800 or N95 as the phone.
- A radio that has good reception. N82 does NOT has this.
You cheated.
N82 has a radio too. And I have no reception problem.
btw: I thought you gonna tell us something that your mighty SE A200 platform has that out of box S60 dont.
- A mediaplayer with the basic stuff you'll hear many people complain N82 doesn't have.
Wait a minute.
There are something N82 has that your SE dont like visualisation or 8 bands equaliser.
- There's a browser that suits my needs, and which I use quite a lot
whoopi. Your w800/c905 has a browser and N82 dont??
I dont even want to waste my time listing out the long list of things the out-of-box N82 have that the W800/c905 can never have.
Are we done now?
Not quite. Like
dogmann said, it is so silly and ridiculous to compare a smart and dumb phone in any which way other than based on your own personal preferences. Good luck to you. Enjoy putting smileys in sms and playing Java games.
OK. Now we are done.
[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2008-06-20 16:40 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-20 17:35:10
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Muhammad-Oli Posts: > 500
Oh god, this page is getting ridiculous to read through... Just look at it!
EDIT: The previous page.
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[ This Message was edited by: Muhammad-Oli on 2008-06-20 16:39 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-20 17:38:40
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On 2008-06-20 17:38:40, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Oh god, this page is getting ridiculous to read through... Just look at it!
EDIT: The previous page.
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[ This Message was edited by: Muhammad-Oli on 2008-06-20 16:39 ]
AUhaHUAHUAHUAuhAHAAHUAUHA That`s true.... N82 x SE!
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Posted: 2008-06-20 17:53:29
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On 2008-06-20 17:35:10, mib1800 wrote:
Good luck to you. Enjoy putting smileys in sms and playing Java games.
That's what most people like to do.
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Posted: 2008-06-20 17:53:37
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On 2008-06-20 17:53:37, NightBlade wrote:
That's what most people like to do.
Just say that about yourself only.
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Posted: 2008-06-20 18:02:11
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Fellas,
Stop the bickering - its obvious what you really need to do, is step back and look at what the C905 is serious about...IMAGING.
The N82 is a want away - it wishes it had the Cyber-shot branding lol!
No seriously, both handsets are serious about Imaging, and what will settle this is a Camera Shoot Out, not 'my phone's better than yours' - or 'your mighty SE A200'...!!
And a Camera shoot out between FINAL Retail units, not Beta v Retail...
'Mr MIB' - step back, relax and enjoy the ride - the C905 will be released in three short months, and im sure NOKIA won't rest - this battle is just beginning - the war is far from over
I have a feeling Sony Ericsson MIGHT be in for a TIPA award next time round!
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Posted: 2008-06-20 18:11:23
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