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So its the end of an era eh?

Ah well it was good whilst it lasted right guys?
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Posted: 2008-06-26 10:03:49
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http://mobileopportunity.blog[....]es-everything-and-nothing.html

excerpts:

"Symbian contacted me on June 26 with a correction: "Five Foundation board seats will be allocated to handset vendors on the basis of volumes shipped using the Symbian Foundation platform. There will be a maximum of one (1) board seat per company." So Nokia gets one board seat, and does not control the foundation.

--UIQ is dead. SonyEricsson's UIQ technology, and NTT DoCoMo's MOAP, both of which are user interface layers written on top of Symbian, will also be contributed to the foundation, which will incorporate pieces of them into S60. The new Symbian foundation partners said at the press conference, "We will reposition UIQ in the new ecosystem." That's seems to be a face-saving way of saying, "UIQ is dead." Confirming that, UIQ announced immediate plans to lay off more than half its employees (link).

What does it mean to Apple? I think it's probably good news. Although the Symbian partners could theoretically bleed Apple by sharing investments that Apple has to fund for itself, Apple competes on speed and elegance, not cost control. Nokia and Symbian will now spend the next six months sorting out how they'll integrate and rationalize their organizations. No matter how much they try to avoid it, this will slip schedules and force people to revisit plans. And the other Symbian licensees have to wait two years for the new OS. That gives Apple a long, long time to build up its iPhone business. The Register put it very bluntly in its commentary on the Symbian announcement (link):

Apple must now see a clear road ahead for world dominance...it's now Apple's business to lose."

[ This Message was edited by: Shuuro on 2008-06-28 03:52 ]

[ This Message was edited by: Shuuro on 2008-06-28 03:58 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-28 04:19:34
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@Shuuro

Please be realistic you really think any of the Symbian foundation members are going to just sit around twiddling there thumbs for the next two years?

You believe they won't continue to release devices with ever improving spec's and technology until 2010? as if so they may as well shut up shop now.

I think you will find they will continue to deliver devices as scheduled especially as there will be some backwards compatibility from the new platform. What this means is that they aim from 2010 to have everyone running on the same base platform nothing more and nothing less. No one is going to stop delivering devices or evolving for 2 years that's just totally insane to even suggest.

As for it's Apples to lose please explain why as that is just absurd, what about Rim, Android or WM let alone Symbian. Apple have a great multimedia device but that's it and just because it can handle Business E-Mail isn't going to give it market domination either.

Sorry but all this Apple will rule the smart phone world is just utter gibberish and BS and founded on fanboys wishes and dreams. That's not saying Apple won't do well but doing well and being the biggest and best are two very separate things.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-28 15:02 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-28 15:57:09
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hello marc, those are not my views. i just shared excerpts from michael mace's blog entry. please read his entire blog entry to understand things in their context. since michael being an analyst in supposed field and having good understanding, experience & who had made right predictions in the past, i thought his views would be interest to members here.

i don't think they would stop releasing but since uiq work force has been reduced to less than half and assuming some might be working on integration project, i suppose we can't expect something substantial. anyways, no one knows what exactly is going to happen until they work modalities out.

Edit: i suppose what he meant is that apple has a good opportunity to take advantage of this situation and if they do it or not is something else.

anyways, those who are interested, here is the blog of john forsyth, who leads strategy group at symbian: http://johnforsyth.blogspot.com/

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[ This Message was edited by: Shuuro on 2008-06-28 18:49 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-28 19:42:19
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@Shuuro

Sorry missed the bit that said it was excerpts from some ones Blog my apologies for that.

But all my comments stand and let me guess without having visited the Blog he is an American. Which is the only reason he could believe Apple will be so great IMO. The rest of the worlds tech journalists and even financial analysts just don't view Apple in this totally unrealistic way.

Once more i am not saying Apple won't shift a lot of devices and do well but they will not dominate the market they won't even get close to it IMO. But as always time will tell and show who's predictions are right.

Potentially Android is a far greater threat to the market and specifically Apple as it has a very similar and rich UI.

What i do believe is for the rest of this year and next year we will start seeing devices coming that will again push them up a level in performance. Good times for us gadget and tech lovers.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-28 18:57 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-28 19:55:57
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Hell the last time I checked these were native apps for EZX which is the E8 and A1200 and A780 OS . These do not need cracked phones, all you need is a installer thats placed in the mem card. The A780 does'nt even need that, you can use the built in installer.

http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5358
http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13340
http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16078
http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11349

And the forums, lots of the apps are native
http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=59
http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=58

And I recently attended the MotoDEV SUmmit and within the next 3 months there is going to be a SDK for LJ phones, although they are termed Feature phones you can install native C++ apps, Java Script based apps called WEBUI and Java.

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Posted: 2008-06-28 20:05:34
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@Dogmann

Perhaps you'd better view Michael Mace's background and resume, its impressive.
http://www.mikemace.com/about.php

I think you're reading more into the statements than it says. According to the diagrams on the previous page, Apple already command 5x the market penetration of Symbian in the US; thats a good position to lauch from. If Symbian are indeed in a holding pattern for 2 yrs then I for one would expect Apple to make big inroads on them especially considering the amount of developer interest in the iPhone 2.0 platform. Time will tell.
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Posted: 2008-06-29 10:59:52
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@Carkitter

Sorry but once i saw this in his list of credits he completely lost any chance of being impartial at all,

"director of Mac Platform Marketing at Apple"

Of course he is going to say Mac's and Apple will rule the world just the same as SE fans say SE will it has nothing to do with reality.

As for your point of how many devices Apple sold in the US where Symbian up to now sells very few, Symbian still shipped well over 110 million devices last year and Apple did what less then 10 million? How ever much better and cheaper the 3G version is i seriously doubt it will sell 10x times more don't you?

Rim sold more than Apple and this year and next with their new products that at last offer 3G/HSDPA, WiFi, GPS
a great screen and Multimedia and also a full touch screen device, will I'm sure sell more than Apple again.

Once more the iPhone is a nice product if it offers what you want but for far to many it doesn't and just because it supports push E-Mail and Document reading a smart phone does it not make. A great Multimedia device it is but that still won't make it market leader or even close in the next 12-18 months IMO. As always only time will tell but with the next gen devices coming Apple's position will be seriously challenged and many will equal or surpass it.

Oh yes and please forget this idea that Symbian are in a holding pattern for two years as frankly that's just absurd. No company would do anything as stupid as that especially not in market that changes and develops so quickly. Nokia will continue as the new platform will be backwards compatible with S60. They most certainly won't stop to let the competition catch up as that would be madness, it is those that don't use S60 that will have to decide whether to use it or something else until the new Foundation OS is ready.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-29 11:20 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-29 12:13:33
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@Dogmann

With this obsession with peoples 'ulterior motives', you're losing credibility.

So he worked for Apple, so what?
He worked for Palm too, does that give him split loyaties?
He also has an intensive journalism background, so wouldn't he understand the concept of objectivity?

Stop being so paranoid.

He never said Macs and iPhone will rule the world. You assumed that.
He made careful measured statements and then let a quote from The Register make the bold prediction. He never said it himself, its an old journalism trick...

What he said was quite rational and thought provoking.

Once again, I never said iPhone was a smart phone. I've always maintained Version 1.0 was a fashion phone and Version 2.0 is more of a networking device. Definitions of smart phones are wide and varied and do not interest me. However this is a thread about OS and Apple OS is a recognised alternative to Symbian; whatever its popularity it is relevant to the discussion.

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[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2008-06-29 12:59 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-29 12:57:42
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@carkitter,

You are free to believe and interpret what he said and meant as you feel fit to. I am not paranoid or obsessed with ulterior motives but am very sick and tired of all the utter BS that the iPhone is the best thing to ever happen to mobiles and will wipe out every bit of competition in it's path.

I have also been very careful to point out that the iPhone for some is brilliant whilst for others it isn't, but this idea that it will beat never mind just challenge Symbian is just a joke. Based on what 10 million sales in a Year especially when many who bought the iPhone had never bought a smart phone before so it hasn't really stolen that much market share from others. Even if it grows by 200% it will still not be the major player, it really is a long way off from being a dominant platform and Android will challenge the iPhone strongly as well as other OS's once launched.

The next 12 -18 months will be very interesting IMO and we will see greatly improved OS and better specified devices. As i said i think Rim are a company to watch as they will offer devices more suited to Europe as well as North America and all users as opposed to just mainly business users.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-29 18:30 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-29 19:30:04
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