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Agree with ares and jmbillings.
Speed doesn't always mean stability. What ares is saying is that UIQ3.3 had the stability like UIQ3.0 in the P1 BUT lacked the speed/processing power due to SE using old CPUs in their UIQ3.3 protos, which makes sense, surely with a new platform you should start implementing newer and more powerful hardware to insure that it runs fast even under heavy tasks. SE could have simply gone the NOKIA way and used the cheaper yet powerful Freescale CPUs, that can run at upto 532mhz.
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Posted: 2008-10-27 08:49:09
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To understand what ares is saying, you need to carefully observe what is (1) software made by UIQ (=UIQ3.x), (2) software made by SE (=manufacturer-specific customizations on SE's UIQ phones), and (3) hardware (always made by SE, and never UIQ).
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Posted: 2008-10-27 09:53:49
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I know speed doesn't necessarily mean stability, but if it doesn't have enough speed it's more prone to lock ups, and or even just extreme slowness, it makes the phone unusable. That's what I meant be instability. That's what Arfe is saying isn't it? That the phone needs more speed to give it justice? To make it work adequately.

So what I'm saying is, maybe it's needs considerably more speed than SE predicted and the suitable hardware may be too expensive to justify bringing out a final run of UIQ.

I don't think you guys realise SE doesn't own any part of symbian anymore, all the current symbian stock and IP is being bought out by Nokia. No more development on Symbian is continuing. To keep developing UIQ when it may not even (probably won't be) compatible with SF what would be the point?? Why not put the money (whether it's hardware or software) into developing WM or Android (unlikely imho) now, rather than be behind the eight ball later. I think SE have gone - "we've done the maths, and it's unlikely that the cost of making UIQ3.3 handsets a success will be recoverable in sales."

Why else are they gonna not do it? If as you guys say it's a sure fire bet the phones will be successful if only SE give it a faster processor, then they would be doing it. The way I see it, they have to have a reason for doing what they are doing. A business reason. They are not gonna bring out one last run of (non-profitable) UIQ devices just to make a very small group(relative to total users) of loyal UIQ fans happy.

Sorry but it's not gonna happen and tbh I don't see why it should.
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Posted: 2008-10-27 13:51:56
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The Motorola Z10(?) had/has HSDPA, and runs UIQ3. It's also based on a better processor than SE ever used, but on the flipside it's not a touchscreen, thereby losing the one real advantage that UIQ had in the first place.

All that said, I think it's pointless to be pointing fingers at SE or anyone else for the death of UIQ. It died because it didn't keep up, and never really had the traction behind it in the first place to ensure that SE or anyone else really looked after it. If UIQ was worth saving, it would have been, at the end of the day - the fact that the protest against it's death begins and ends in this thread pretty much sums up the impact it on the market as a whole.

Yes SE could have done more to push UIQ, then again, they presumably had their reasons for not doing so - and where were the queue of other manufacturers eager to realise it's potential? Absolutely nowhere. At the end of the day, UIQ wouldn't have survived a single day without SE's support.

It's well past time to say goodbye - for me, and plenty of others, UIQ died on the release of UIQ3 anyway. The P800 I miss, while the M600 - which served me quite faithfully for a year - never held my affection in the same way.
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Posted: 2008-10-27 14:22:41
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I agree, SE did what they could, the time has come to say goodbye.

The question now is can SE take advantage of other platforms to the good of their marketshare. Can they make WM work? Will they adopt some other platform? Will they give a serious commitment to their next line of smartphones, whatever they may be?
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Posted: 2008-10-27 23:58:46
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Yes, and that was miserably insufficient to cope with the potential given by the best smartphone UI platform invented so far.
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Posted: 2008-10-28 00:53:44
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@zed: How will affect this to CPS?
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Posted: 2008-10-28 01:14:10
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Hi all,

Well having now had an X1 now for a little over 24hrs i must say it proves that SE can make a good quality handset. Personally i just can't understand why SE couldn't of made the X1 with a similar spec running UIQ3.3 as that was what so many of us were waiting and asking for.

Marc

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Posted: 2008-10-28 01:27:03
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They knew this was going to happen. There you have beibei and paris cancelled. So they went for the winmo side.

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Posted: 2008-10-28 01:31:33
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Quote:How will affect this to CPS?CPS will keep releasing new and updated software for UIQ3 as long as a reasonable number of such devices is still in active use. A transition to the S60/SF-UI platform will also take place at the same time.
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Posted: 2008-10-28 02:05:00
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