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I just wanted to add to this thread that i went into the Orange shop today to have a look at the phone and check if they had any promotions. I found nothing special, other than the regular info that everyone knows:
199 pounds
minimum 55 pound plan

However i did ask her if the shop would claw me back if i changed the tariff. She said they probably would, when i asked her how long I would have to wait she said 2 months. Now...did she know what she was talking about?? Is it different from shop to shop?? I read that the terms were the same Nationwide. Or maybe it is proof that Orange shop has no real way to claw back given the "lack" of mention about the minimum time before a change of tariff. I mean i'm sure the employees know that they will lose on comission but also know about the contract and just try to scare you away from trying to do anything like changing your tariff too soon?? For what it's worth, I will ask her again what the minimum time is, and make sure there is a manager to give it to me in writting if it is less than 4 months. That way if there is a clawback, I will have proof that i was told i wouldn't have to pay the tariff for 4 months.
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Posted: 2003-03-13 00:54:00
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If you are just looking for the handset and not so concerned
about the extra minutes then the online retailers such as

www.mobilesuk.net

www.avrmobiles.co.uk

www.cyren-communications.co.uk

will cost about £300 a year all in an in some
cases slightly less than that.

Having said that, its only about £25 cheaper than the
Orange Shop if there is no tie in at all.

Certainly there is noting on the Orange Shops literature
about a tie-in.

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Posted: 2003-03-13 01:46:00
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i know that there is nothing saying that but then u have to wonder how would Orange overlook such an important part of their business i mean imagine if everyone were to do that, they wouldn't have a way of making their money back. Either the handsets come out really cheap and they are not losing money at all or they are willing to opt for not putting in any clause about the matter in the contract because it justifies their "no tie-in" image, which can be seen as an advantage for the consummer.
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Posted: 2003-03-13 01:54:00
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The truth about this is that it all comes down to the commissions that Orange pay the dealer. For dealers to get paid maximum commission on a new customer, that customer must stay on their chosen tariff, or move upwards, for 4 months. However, Orange (the network) will allow you to change down as soon as you are connected.

Little wonder then, that this is an area of confusion as it doesn't benefit the retailer to tell the truth, and Orange can't advertise this flexibility as a selling point or they would seriously upset their dealers.

Sly dogs



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Posted: 2003-03-13 02:28:00
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I see what u mean...and it makes sense....well all that is left then is if I wanna buy from Orange directly and not be tied for 4 months or buy from a retailer and pay less for the handset initially...mmm decisions, decisions...lol

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Posted: 2003-03-13 02:37:00
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Just to clarify on that point.

Don't buy from Orange Direct.... rip-off!

Go to CPW and get them to price-match Intec Communications in London N3. I think they have it for £30 on Your Plan 400. Now that's what I call a deal! You can still change tariff immdediately if you wish as no dealer can fix you to a tariff. They're just trying it on!


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Posted: 2003-03-13 02:44:00
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See now that's the kind of info i need...thanks for the heads up...CPW here i come... does it matter if i'm not in London and still want them to match that Intec communication?? You say no dealer can fix me to a tariff but they can very well have their own terms...i'll read all the fine print and ask i guess... Would i be able to find info about Intec Communication online?? that way i can prove to the people at CPW..
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Posted: 2003-03-13 02:52:00
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It may matter if you're not in London, sometimes they can pin you to finding a better deal in the 'local' area . However, if you order over the phone, they shouldn't have problem. I can't remember the number for Intec but I'll post it tomorrow. They've got no online presence AFAIK.

CPW will also price match internet/mail-order only dealers to within £50 of their own prices, not that that helps much as they're charging a minimum of £199.99 for the phone.

The reason no dealer can fix you to the tariff is because, regardless of their terms, Orange will let you change just by calling CS. They don't care which dealer you use.
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Posted: 2003-03-13 03:10:00
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hahha good stuff...thank you very much dave..the help is greatly appreciated...i will check back to get the info on Intec once you've posted it...thanks again!
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Posted: 2003-03-13 03:46:00
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check this link they doing the p800 for £229.99 on orange 30 a grate deal if ya ask me at


http://www.avrmobiles.co.uk/phones___prices.html
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Posted: 2003-03-13 04:13:00
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