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It's the best we have, however flawed it might be; mind you I would take British democracy, or for that matter any European democracy, over American democracy any day of the week.
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Posted: 2004-04-16 16:02:40
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Oh yes, hagana was a very useful organisation for israel. However, we have to remember and look at them as heroes... This message was posted from a R520
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Posted: 2004-04-16 16:02:59
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@bobafett
Sarcasm aside, certain sections of Israeli society probably do see them as heroes. If you look at it one way then they were freedom fighters battling against the oppression of their imperial overlords. However, I can tell you this, if it wasn't for Britain then Israel wouldn't exist, yet the very same people whom Britain initially helped, turned against Britain and killed British troops. This really wasn't necessary as Britain was committed to full independence for Israel anyway and was in the process of leaving.
Current Israeli policy is little better, they don't seem to grasp the fact that force by itself does not work against fanatics. I wholeheartedly agree that Israel has every right to defend itself and that they should attack terrorists, however, they also need to compromise. The real problem is the Jewish settlers who build their settlements on Palestinian land, the Israeli army then has to defend them when Palestinians attack their settlements and this in turn causes more violence. This isn't just a Western view, large tracts of the Israeli population resent the way the settlers behave and there is even a political party in Israel, which obtained a substantial amount of support, which advocates this view.
On the Palestinian side we have fanatics telling people that by blowing one's self up one is doing God's work and will be rewarded in Heaven. Palestinian children are indoctrinated from early on to believe that killing Jews is a good thing. Clearly this is a very dangerous state of affairs as it breeds violence and hate in each generation, there is no dialogue because religious fanatics portray anything other than complete hatred for Israel as being in league with the Israelis. The Palestinians have no other means to fight the Israelis than terror tactics because, in a conventional battle, they are no match for the Israelis and their US made weaponry. Similarly the Israelis enjoy massive aid grants from the US, the Palestinians by comparison are living in poverty, yet another cause for resentment and hatred.
It's a ridiculous conflict that should have been ended long ago, it's unfortunate that Britain isn't still the dominant world power, conflicts like this were quickly settled, a few gunboats and a battalion of men were enough to ensure the peace anywhere in the world. I don't say this to be flippant, but because it's true.
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Posted: 2004-04-16 16:24:08
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My grandad was one of the chaps who landed on the beach at Normandy. So i am in total agreement with you there old boy.
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Posted: 2004-04-16 16:38:00
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@scotsboyuk think they will fight with each other as long they just can. But it will be interesting what after the dead of arafat will happen. He still can control the situation, without him it would be more worse. This message was posted from a R520
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Posted: 2004-04-16 17:02:07
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All Czechs were released. Iraqis don't know anything about disintegration of Czechoslovakia but know we have no troops in Iraq. Czechs and Slovaks aren't an enemies for Iraqis. That's all for now. :-D This message was posted from a T610
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Posted: 2004-04-16 19:45:55
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Interested what will happen to the siita cities tomorrow. The us army freed iraq from saddam. Officially. Now they fight against the freed siitas. This message was posted from a R520
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Posted: 2004-04-16 20:16:34
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They're fighting a hardcore group who are determined to cause trouble no matter what.
Please remember that, since the end of the war, more Iraqis have been killed by fellow lraqis than by Coalition troops.
The Coalition is there trying to help rebuild Iraq, but these fanatics don't want that.
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Posted: 2004-04-16 20:49:00
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Weird way of help. The siitas wont let it against the foreign troops. This message was posted from a R520
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Posted: 2004-04-16 20:55:56
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Scot , what r u speakin at , coalition = USA, no others need to be in the war with Iraq
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Posted: 2004-04-16 21:34:00
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