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Yet another mind numbing thread with people arguing about things that they either don't fully understand or attempt to manipulate to suit their argument.
What exactly is innovation? Why is producing the first 5 MP cameraphone innovative? It is merely producing a better model than a previous 4 MP cameraphone. It isn't really anything 'new'. However, it is innovative because we haven't seen it before.
SE are an extremely innovative company, they create high quality products that utilise features in innovative ways. How many mobile phones were able to control a remote control car before SE implemented it? How many people could control a power point presentation using their phone before SE implemented it? How many people had mobile with a colour screen, GPRS and POP e-mail support before the T68i? How many mobiles could pass as a camera before the K700 or the S700?
I find Yazan's logic extremely flawed because it implies that something can only be innovative if it is completely new. If we were to use this logic then what is it that Nokia have done that is innovative? Changeable covers? What about Samsung? A HDD handset, what else? Are we counting improvements to exisitng camera technology as innovative?
Innovation comes through both invention and applying exisiting technology in new ways. SE are as, if not more, innovative than most mobile phone manufacturers. Indeed, the only two manufacturers who can really be described as technologically innovative are SE and Samsung.
[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2005-04-26 21:48 ]
[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2005-04-26 22:21 ]
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Posted: 2005-04-26 22:47:38
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so what would you call the K800? an even bigger innovation?
no such small upgrades are not really innovation.
the T68m was a hudge step up from the T39m or other phones from other companies.
it was small, rubber back, 2 nice falshing leds, bluetooth, GPRS, color screen, later on MMS, theme's, backgrounds, more personal touch, abilety to add stuff like games and ofcourse a joystick! (altought ericsson wasn't the first with a joystick i think).
some one asked what would be innovation that we want from SE.
what about a P1000 with all its updates that we can think of but with a build in projector to show movies, build in GPS, my friends that fully works also with push to talk and GPS location ( i know operator depended), changeable colors for keypad light, ...
or what about a phone like the R250s PRO, but smaller, more up to date, and able to use under what incl cam so it would be possible to take underwhat shots (in swimming pools, not really a tool to go diving).
oyea the jogdial is a nice thing on the Pxxx but its not that strong and takes alot of dust. the original plan by ericsson was to have a joysctik and some other buttons under the screen (screen would be bigger), or to have a 4way arrow button like on there R380 which worked in the same way as the R380
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Posted: 2005-04-26 22:53:55
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buhu
@Yazan24
Quote:Idiots piss me off. It's sad you piss your self off ... sad really sad ..
Quote:Bluetooth is not an implementation, ERICSSON INVENTED IT. They still _implemented_ it in phones. You know BT is a chip don't you.
Quote:Please I thought this thread was settled but clearly, you're too immature to leave it at that and want to be right at the end. Yeah who's talking.
My point is (plz dude burn some brain cells on this one ok) when you are talking about SE you say taking 2 existing technologies and implementing them in phones == not Innovative
but on the other hand you say utilizing a color screen in a phone is Innovating .. or a pen utilized in a phone is Innovating .. or BT in a phone is Innovating.
Ericsson Invented BT, yes, but they implemented it in the phones ,,, Sony Invented the Walkman, but they Implemented it in a SE phone ...
You can look at both as Innovations or Implementations.
Now I stop the Yazan24 bashing. No hard feelings over the stuff u said
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Posted: 2005-04-26 22:57:59
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@bart. But no one is saying that Ericsson isn't innovative! You seem to be wanting to argue that /// is more innovative but that is not what the title of the thread states. .
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Posted: 2005-04-26 23:06:00
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btw I love you scotsboyuk =P
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Posted: 2005-04-26 23:10:26
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@goldenface
Ericsson were a failing mobile manufacturer, their only real legacy of any great importance to handsets is Bluetooth. Ericsson were, and are, far better at networks than they were at the handset side of things. This isn't to say that they weren't innovative, they did produce many great handsets with unique features, but ultimately they were poor at actually getting people to buy their products.
Sony was in a similar situation with regards to mobile phones, but the situation wasn't so serious for Sony as they were, and are, a much bigger company with a more diverse range of products.
The two therefore compliment each other well and they have done well out of the partnership.
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Posted: 2005-04-26 23:20:38
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A sony ericsson innovation..now this is definately an innovation according to the definition...
but i feel its a useless innovation...
Exclusive: Sony Ericsson's display to adapt to environment
what are ur thoughts?
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also take a look at this site
Sony Ericsson News ...lots of se headlines....
i hope this thread is locked soon.....we are no authority on deciding if a company is innovative or not...
we are consumers....we make the company innovative...if it wasnt for us..why wud anyone design anything..
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Posted: 2005-04-26 23:25:06
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I say implement it in Army PDAs
Screen adapts to enviroment .. wear a s*it load of those and u got good camouflage
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Posted: 2005-04-26 23:32:11
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@Scotsboyuk. I am well read on both companies pre-merger and agree the Ericsson is innovative only, I was afraid Bart, who is obviously an Eric, was arguing his point by simply listing Ericssons innovations in order to discount those of SE. (I am too concise when Wapping).
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Posted: 2005-04-26 23:43:00
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On 2005-04-26 10:12:40, Yazan24 wrote:
Innovative is partially extraordinary,
Innovation is something completely new, something completely new in comparison with the ordinary is what, extraordinary.
Then you just shot this thread in the foot. Absolutely NOTHING from any cellphone maker is new. Nada. Zip. ZERO.
Innovation by this is simply bluetooth, I can think of no other features mentioned in this entire thread that matches your criteria.
Motion detection innovative? Sorry no. Rehashed PC joystick technology, nothing more. (Long have there been motion detecting steering wheels for games etc)
Higher quality cameras? Again distilling of digital camera technology into a phone, absolutely nothing innovative here.
SMS, MMS, Etc? All drivitives of email and bulletin board messaging if we want to be pedantic.
Screens? Nothing new there.
Keypads? Calculators got there first.
Batteries? Nope.
By your own definitions no one mentioned as a mobile manufactureris innovative, but have implemented innovative things.
Only 2 things stand out as inovatve technology to me:
1) Bluetooth. It like USB on pc's had a large effect once it was uptaken.
2) That IR projected keyboard. Possibly the only other "new" nifty thing I have seen in a while. Not sure how overly practical it would be unless using it against a soft surface, but niftyness all the same.
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Posted: 2005-04-27 00:04:11
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